Work for dole

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I think that proposals like these are long over due. Although I think that if you make people work full time for their benefits they won't have time to look for job.

Prehaps they should work three days a week and look for a job two days a week.

There are people who for good reasons cannot work full time, but certainly could do something part time.

Yes, I say that, Loric, because there are plenty of immigrants who come here and don't have pride in themselves, same as anywhere else.

Who come here as part of organised crime, to traffic people for exploitation and drugs, who live here for 12 years then go the dole, etc.

But it costs the same in rent to live here whatever nationality you are, so your point is???

My point has already been stated, Loric!

FGS!

Many immigrants don't come here with their family. So a landlord who is illegally letting a 2 bed flat to 15 people is willing to take them on, whereas they won't with a family.

That automatically puts the lone immigrant at a huge advantage in terms of being able to lower their cost of living and work for a lower wage.

Do you think a rogue landlord is going to rent like that to a British person? Um, no because the Brit knows he/she can report them to the council as it's illegal.

Chances are, the immigrant a) doesn't know this b) isn't going to clype and mess up their cheap accommodation.

Do you think a rogue landlord is going to rent like that to a British person? Um, no because the Brit knows he/she can report them to the council as it's illegal.

Chances are, the immigrant a) doesn't know this b) isn't going to clype and mess up their cheap accommodation.

I suspect the other factor is expat, that the immigrant is likely working crazy hours so don't really 'live' where they sleep. They just go 'home' to sleep/change clothes, and maybe shower/eat.

EXPAT- you sound very racist to me so will dismiss any future messages headed by you WITHOUT reading them, i dont appreciate being sworn at either. To anyone else- the debate is work v dole, constructive critism please...back in a while...

exactly, and if they don't have children here, they can work all the hours God sends. no need to worry about spending time with them because the goal is to maximise earning in the time given.

Lor, if you find my comments racist then I'm really glad you're ignoring me, because I find you intensely ignorant and belligerent - a trend that sadly seems to be on the increase on this forum at present.

Expat is definitely not racist Loriycs - sadly, what she describes is how grim things are for many people.

And For god's sake is not a swear word.

Nor is it up to you to dictate how a thread goes.

But please, carry on. Long enough rope and all that . . .

Hi, ive taken five. Earlybird yes i agree she has some valid points BUT theres an undertone to her comments i dont like, and as we are not face to face no point in getting personal. Ive seen her name again, probably a retort no doubt but i cant be bothered to read it. Lets not talk about Expat,im still asking the question why so many can live off benefits for years and years and get away with it? my last tenant was on benefits, has been for 10 years since having her child, and there are plenty of jobs in our area. I lived in the house that i rented to her, myself as a lone parent for 9 years and I always managed to work, otherwise i wouldnt have the place now to rent would i? What makes her situation different.

for the record i am not a lone parent-i was for quite some time before meeting dh though so thats why i often feel personally attacked when lone parents are attacked on threads ile this.

loryc-if swearing was a problem on this site then it would have swear filters.however,racism isnt tolerated so im sure had any racist posts been made then they would have been reported and dealt with

maybe your tennant isnt working due to health problems?

Sigh it always come around to slagging off the single parent.

There are many people on benefits who do not have children, people who have just left school, are long-term unemployed etc.

Perhaps we should hand them all a scrubbing brush and a pail of soapy water, point them to the nearest pavement and tell them to get on with it.

I was all in favour of the idea of people being encouraged to volunteer and the opportunities that it brings for the community and for the individual but that was more for what it would bring to the person not to satisfy those who feel they are being mugged to pay for benefits, there are some very naive ideas on here. Especially when it comes to people "moving." Yes, with money that must be very easy to do.

You pay into the system from your first job and you should hope it is there to help you when times get tough and yes, it should always be a hand up and never a hand out.

What expat said about the immigrant workers being exploited by landlords is true though, not racist at all. I can't see how saying that this goes on is racist, it isn't the fault of the immigrant community but the landlords and employers who grab the opportunity to give them high rent and low wages. I feel sorry that they have come to this country and this is how they are dealt with - it is embarrassing.

Sigh it always come around to slagging off the single parent.

There are many people on benefits who do not have children, people who have just left school, are long-term unemployed etc.

Perhaps we should hand them all a scrubbing brush and a pail of soapy water, point them to the nearest pavement and tell them to get on with it.

I was all in favour of the idea of people being encouraged to volunteer and the opportunities that it brings for the community and for the individual but that was more for what it would bring to the person not to satisfy those who feel they are being mugged to pay for benefits, there are some very naive ideas on here. Especially when it comes to people "moving." Yes, with money that must be very easy to do.

You pay into the system from your first job and you should hope it is there to help you when times get tough and yes, it should always be a hand up and never a hand out.

What expat said about the immigrant workers being exploited by landlords is true though, not racist at all. I can't see how saying that this goes on is racist, it isn't the fault of the immigrant community but the landlords and employers who grab the opportunity to give them high rent and low wages. I feel sorry that they have come to this country and this is how they are dealt with - it is embarrassing.

Oops, sorry, over eager clicker!

I don't know how council/housing authority places work. But, if you find yourself in a place with few opportunities, could a person apply for transfer elsewhere? Are there any grants to help with moving?

You can ask to transfer, you can put your house up for a swap with someone else but you won't get anywhere unless you are lucky enough to find someone to swap with. The council (or at least mine) won't even consider helping unless you are homeless.

I've been waiting now for 3 years to move. And that is really short-term.

One of my friends has a severely disabled son who has mobility problems. They need a bungalow or something more suitable and have also been waiting 3 years, meanwhile her son gets heavier (another part of the condition) and she has to carry him upstairs.)

So saying you want to move somewhere to find work won't get you anywhere at all.

You could in theory transfer. The trouble is, in most councils, you have to have a connection to the new council in order to get housed there or be a priority for housing.

A connection could be that you have a job in the area, so it's a chicken and egg thing. Or that you are moving to be closer to family who are committed to helping you with childcare.

Apologise now for all the mistakes in my posts!

Wow, Two! And to think, people who become disabled and are no longer able to access their accommodation are supposed to be top priority to be re-housed!

She has fought with the council for 3 years over this, expat. It isn't so much shocking as disgraceful - especially when a suitable house was recently given to a pair of drug dealers who had been made homeless...ie evicted. The priorities of councils are skewed.

They told her she would have a better chance if her husband didn't work. He is only a labourer, not making millions!

I believe that their excuse is that as her boy is still a toddler she should be able to manage - he is the same size and twice the weight of my dts who are 3 years older. (Think Jordan's son for the size problem.) They told her she could move to another place but then her hubby couldn't get to his work as it would be too far away and she would be away from her family and friends, considering that without their support she would get no respite then they should be ashamed for even suggesting it.

And don't get me started on how the NHS have handled this. I've hijacked the thread enough

Should also add for Sherylshore or whoever was going on about libraries. Mine are selling a whole stack of books, some very good ones too, for 10p.

10 bloody p.

What bastards!

There was a story last year about a chap in Edinburgh who'd become disabled. His only family member, a sister, wanted to care for him. But she needed a three-bed because she had two daughters.

There wasn't one. Or if there was, they weren't getting it.

The man stayed in hospital for months.

hi, no my tenant (now ex tenant) doesnt have health problems.She openly says that she doesnt like the thought of going to work!! I read earlier on another thread something about lone parents not being able to claim for children up to 16 as (they can now)after Nov 08 as the age limit is changing to 12, and then 10 a year on from that???? i didnt know about that, but if the case it will be interesting to see how many people are suddenly working!