Why is it that children of immigrants on the right propose the harshest immigration policies?

[MyCyanBear]

Was reading up on Reform's immigration plans and the actual wording surprised me. It's not just tougher rules for new arrivals: indefinite leave to remain "will be abolished. No new awards granted and existing ones rescinded." So people who already have settled status would lose it and reapply every five years against salary thresholds they haven't published.

What struck me is that their home affairs spokesman, Zia Yusuf, is the son of an NHS paediatrician and a nurse who came from Sri Lanka in the 80s. Run his own family through the policy and there's no published answer to whether they'd have qualified at each renewal. NHS wages being what they are.

Longer piece with the sources here if anyone wants the detail: trendingsheet.com/article/would-reform-immigration-rules-let-zia-yusuf-parents-stay

So much hypocrisy plus brainwashing by the media. What is this idea that immigrants who came here in the 70s and 80s were somehow more "worthy" than immigrants today? I teach in an area with high immigration. They come for undoubtedly the same reasons that most previous immigrants have come for - to work and support their families. The vast majority are healthcare workers.

There seems to be a peddling of the myth that most immigrants are arriving illegally by boat and look forward to a life of luxury on benefits. The amount of immigrants arriving by this route is a tiny, tiny minority and of those that do arrive that way and apply for asylum, the vast majority are accepted.

So white people will like them.

I’m not sure about saying those who
do not support mass immigration are racist. My mum was an immigrant in the 1970s, and I do not support immigration at the rate it is happening now, I don’t have internalised racism, we are living in a small island with limited space and resources.

I would go as far to say the posters saying immigrants or descendants of immigrants who don’t support mass immigration are racist are actually being offensive themselves, not seeing the politicians mentioned as people in their own right with their own individual backgrounds but somehow the embodiment of brown people in general..And I had to laugh at the poster who said the Indian caste system was to blame 😂

It’s not about ‘luxury’ but they still need to be housed, fed, and presumably have access to healthcare and social services. This all costs the taxpayer. If the thousands that arrive by boat are only a ‘tiny minority’ then where is all this housing coming from?

I am not confident that your assertion is correct, OP.

Not at all.

I don't think they are promoting immigration policies that are harsher. Everyone here is now increasingly concerned at the rate of immigration, the costs of immigration and the growing influence of Islam in Britain. Everyone wants our government to protect this country so it's a safe place to live and work.

Not a day goes past without an illegal migrant committing some awful crime, every high street can see foreign criminal gangs openly laundering the proceeds of crime, and the likelihood of a massive backlash grows every day. Settled immigrant communities will suffer badly if/when that happens, as we saw in Belfast recently.

And how do you know this? Were you in their living rooms when they had these conversations?

I have been told this from individuals whose parents said this.
I have also heard it first hand when I was a child.

The most anti-immigrant comments I ever heard were from people I know who are 1st generation immigrants - one a Greek Cypriot (Christian) one an Indian (Parsee). Both deplored the number of Muslim immigrants.

Both, I should add, were professionally qualified hard workers who had always been self-supporting.

His ability to do any of the immigration plans he has will be thrown out of court in about 5 minutes . We have laws that he can't just re write. I wouldn't bother giving him the headspace.

I’m an immigrant (settled status), I however don’t think people should be able to move to a foreign country and claim benefits / use the healthcare system / use schools / etc without having paid any taxes and being able to prove they have enough savings + a job that would allow them to be net contributors.

I’m of course including myself and my husband in this statement

This is fairly common. A somewhat minor part of my family likes Le Pen. It’s the famous “we’re the good immigrants, they aren’t” mentality.

@Myskyscolour and then no families who help with low paying jobs would be able to enrol their children.

It’s not uncommon at all.

Often it’s because they share the conservative values as the parties with these polices, and because of some sort of “exceptionalism” where they have been raised to believe they are the right kind of immigrant, and the others are just taking the piss.

Our NHS is free at the pint of use for anyone who needs it, and that’s how it should remain. We don’t believe a person has to have money to deserve being looked after when they are ill.

Are there many low paying jobs that no jobseeker currently in the UK could do?

If there are shortages in specific sectors then yes, we could have specific policies (like what Australia does, I believe).

However, paying for someone’s children’s state school places + NHS for the whole family + child benefit etc just so one person can stack shelves in a supermarket is not really in the country’s interest. Especially as it means paying unemployment benefit to someone else who could have done the job.

Emergency care, yes. And I believe we have reciprocal agreements with EU countries about that for ex for tourists.
I thought we were talking about allowing (or not) people to immigrate here, knowing it comes with ongoing healthcare costs, not if we should let them bleed on the streets once they are here.