Why is it that children of immigrants on the right propose the harshest immigration policies?

[MyCyanBear]

Was reading up on Reform's immigration plans and the actual wording surprised me. It's not just tougher rules for new arrivals: indefinite leave to remain "will be abolished. No new awards granted and existing ones rescinded." So people who already have settled status would lose it and reapply every five years against salary thresholds they haven't published.

What struck me is that their home affairs spokesman, Zia Yusuf, is the son of an NHS paediatrician and a nurse who came from Sri Lanka in the 80s. Run his own family through the policy and there's no published answer to whether they'd have qualified at each renewal. NHS wages being what they are.

Longer piece with the sources here if anyone wants the detail: trendingsheet.com/article/would-reform-immigration-rules-let-zia-yusuf-parents-stay

Yes, classic pulling up of the ladder behind them.

I think you think people think about caste a lot more than they do.

No it's because they and the their families have to put up with the racism every time there is another Islamist attack so they want to stop them happening..

My parents were explicitly anti racist, they also abhorred the caste system, we got chats on it. Still believed in a sensible immigration system which accounted for the ability to absorb numbers without damaging existing public services. I’m pro migration myself, I believe in high quality migration, which will lead to a long term positive impact on society and our economy. I don’t think you should just take anyone, I think numbers should reflect the need of the country and the ability to absorb those numbers with minimal disruption. Theres a lot of research on demographic change and what promotes peaceful co-existence. A big part of that is slower and smaller numbers. Migration is a fact of life, it it can be a massive plus to a country, it can also be extremely damaging if done incorrectly.

they have assimilated so far into white right wing culture they have forgotton who they are. my partner is jamacian and he has a name for people like that.

The whole applying to their families doesn't work when there have been hundreds of changes to immigration law over the last couple of decades, which means it's very likely they wouldn't have been able to migrate under our current laws anyways, nevermind the mess Reform says they want. That ladder was pulled up, tossed away, and been replaced ages ago.

I mean, the legal way I immigrated was no longer legal within about 4 years after I did so. Literally every step from the way I arrived to all the visas, to when I did the testing (I had indefinite leave to remain before testing came in), it's all been changed over the years.

People on indefinite leave to remain/settled status have been fucked over and had to jump through hoops to regain rights already tested, background checked, and paid for before. Some of the people named were involved in previous ones like the biometric residency permit and the more recent digital version. This constant changing and having to prove yourself again and again has happened to a lot of us. Every new application or requirement to fulfil is a whole new set of fees, documents for the private partners to process....

I'd more question why many of the wealthy - whoever their parents are - like this rhetoric even though they get the most benefit from all this. We can make all the claims about them individuals, but when most of them have been involved in the hundreds of changes, most of which were claimed at the time to be about reducing, they brought in private companies into the immigration process, we should ask why they benefit from this rhetoric and their previous action. We have so many gangs bringing in people illegally who get caught, deported, and bringing them back to 'pay off debts' that our government is doing far too little about.

I wouldn't be focused on their words, I wouldn't be focusing on who their parents are or the colour of their skin, focus on the impact of what they've done already and follow on who is profiting for our immigration system being an ever changing, ever growing mess. And yes, migrants and our children are quite capable of having harsh opinions on that even if we couldn't meet the current or any dreamed up requirements.

This.

It is almost like they are desperate to show they are not ''one of them''.

The irony is that is no matter how right wing they sound and how much hate they spew towards immigrants, for the average Reform voter they still will always just be another brown or black face who they will never accept as being English/British.

Pandering to and trying to outdo the racists and xenophobic is a losing game.

No, it isn't. I was right the first time.
It is totally about me, myself, and I.
Racist to other immigrants and see themselves as 'integrated ' hiding behind their racist abhorrent views.

This!

There is some psychology behind it. Pulling the ladder up behind them, as a concept, is not just about preventing others from gaining similar advantages. It is also signally that you are assimilated and therefore ‘safe’ from being cast out as an ‘other’. But it’s a fragile and precarious position.

And the Western Left is not desperately trying to prove to the rest of the world they aren’t (supposedly) racist like other white ppl?

Don’t they think other cultures are better than the one they are born into and try to adopt their views and values?

The « not one of them » goes both ways …