Iryna Zarutska murder

[Anonymouse22]

Has anyone else seen the cctv footage from this murder? I have come across it today on social media and I can not get that poor girl out of my mind, it's one of the most heart breaking things I've seen.
Why did no- one help sooner? Bystander effect? Shock? Scared themselves?
I feel so angry/ shocked/ heartbroken about it.

Honestly I can't stop thinking about her, RIP Iryna this shouldn't of happened to you 💔

The video is an absolutely shocking, it’s on Wikipedia and I’m shocked they actually let it all be so visible. If you look carefully, you can see after he stabbed her, she looks up at him and her mouth is filled with blood pouring out she cover covers her mouth in disbelief and then collapsing.

Have I missed a load of threads somewhere elso on this topic?

I expected an absolute meltdown on MN over what happened to poor Iryna, similar to that when Sarah Everard was murdered.

This thread has barely staggered to its second page.

There was another thread but I don’t know where it is. And I agree that this poor woman’s death deserves more focus.

However Sarah Everard’s death was at the hands of a UK police officer. Not a mentally ill American criminal. Of course there will be a huge amount of shock and commentary about a serving police officer kidnapping and murdering a woman from the streets of London. The two deaths are both tragedies but the circumstances around them are incomparable.

I’ve only seen the stills and I can’t get them out of my head, the fear on the poor girls face is palpable.
So awful that she died alone.

I’ve seen the full video. What I will say is that people did help but it took a while and it wasn’t people in the vicinity. So the perpetrator walked off bleeding himself and trailing blood which someone noticed. He then walks up the train the find what has happened. Another man takes off his top to stop the bleeding and a few of them try to help but by then it’s too late.

i don’t know whether Iryna is aware herself what happened or she does know and she is so terrified and withdraws - I have heard this can be a response in this situation - but because she doesn’t ask for help, I think the woman in the red top is either also terrified that he will come back or unaware.

as others have said, you never know how you will react and it’s understandable that essentially being locked in a room with someone that has just viciously stabbed someone you wouldn’t react as a saviour.

That poor girl.

Re the comments about race, race isn't the issue in this. It's mental health services failing the patient and the public. If someone has a MH condition that can make them a danger it shouldn't matter if they can afford care or not. Preventative care should be in place as standard. He shouldn't have been walking around free. Now at least two families broken because of a failure to treat and detain him before this happened.

It does look as if people didn't help soon enough, but as others have said, to register what is happening then process what to do next in such shocking circumstances would have been hard. We would hope we would help quick enough but we don't know. That excludes the man and his phone.

I agree poor MH services have contributed, but to ignore race is to ignore another layer which undoubtedly contributed. From the countless crimes he had already committed, a judge deciding to put him out on the street, there is also apathy and division which the video highlights very clearly. If race was the other way round, the response would have been very different and race would have been central to the issue, yet there is reluctance to do so here. This man purposefully sat behind a lone small white woman with a knife, it was premeditated and he targeted her specifically. The video even demonstrates where he states her whiteness as he leaves the scene. The crime was horrific and in this instance, I hope he never leaves jail again.

I agree it was horrific and he should never be released. People I have known with the same condition were very paranoid and could suddenly believe the man across the road was going to attack them etc. He could have turned on anyone and shouldn't have been roaming free.

Sadly, the two people I knew with Schizophrenia are both dead. Both failed to take their meds. One attacked others and them himself, one just himself but fell out with family trying to help him and thought many were out to get him.

I saw the stills, didn’t want to watch the video,but to say it’s been ignored is false. Poor, poor woman. Those posters trying to link this to race, nice try but I can see what you are doing. The guy was a diagnosed schizophrenic. Can you explain why you are linking this to race?

He walked away from her, dripping her blood from his knife, repeating 'I got that white girl' and didn't attack anyone else.

And apparently, everyone else in the carriage - that didn't get attacked - wasn't white. That seems quite racially motivated to me, and if it had been the other way round there would have been uproar.

As it was, this wasn't widely reported for 3 weeks, because her family, apparently, or maybe Ukrainians, wouldn't let it drop and kept putting it out there until it went mainstream.

But theres nothing racial about this though, yeah?

🤔

All the stuff on FB/SM about it is getting out of hand. Lots of very racist comments and awful artwork. I believe the victim's family have asked people to stop sharing and watching the footage too.
I still can't get my head around people wanting to watch it, and yet in the same breath deriding the people who were actually there and possibly too shocked to do anything, or didn't even notice.

I don’t know how true this is but I was told that there are 3 common responses when faced with danger like a bomb going off or someone being attacked. Flight, you leg it, freeze your brain panics in the moment and then you follow the crowd, fight (not necessarily with violence) but you step up and move towards the danger to try to help. The fighters are rarer than you’d think.

This was horrific (though the worst thing I have ever seen remains the other recent video of the poor lady who was set on fire and died in the subway - also by a mentally disturbed patient. If you haven’t seen that video, I warn you, don’t look for it. It kept popping up in my feeds on Twitter at the time with no warning, and by the next day it had been scrubbed from a lot of internet media, but it is genuinely nightmare-inducing.)

I can’t understand why the nearby people didn’t come to her aid sooner. The attacker sprayed blood all over the carriage (you can see it all over the walls), so even if Iryna didn’t look immediately injured, it must have been obvious that something awful had happened.

Mind you, the bystanders didn’t help in the case of the lady set on fire either, not even a little bit. The attacker literally sat in the platform fanning the flames and not a single person seemed to react! Maybe it’s an American thing as I cannot imagine that happening here. I’ve witnessed a few emergency situations in the U.K., and people have always reacted and tried to help.

I’ve watched the long video before she even got on the train and he was sat there first. You could tell he wasn’t quite right, acting agitated. She unfortunately chose to sit on the seat in front of him and was sat scrolling on her phone for a while. He finally snapped, stood up and stabbed her then walked away. One guy nearby clearly saw what happened and got up then sat back down again. She was slumped on the floor and lifted her hand up on the seat but no one came for 2 minutes and it was mainly white people helping her. This is stating facts, nothing racist about it.

I find it very uncomfortable how quickly people are ready to judge the other passengers for not rushing to her aid. I’ve seen a clip from another angle where you can see after he stabs her he hovers around in the doorway, very close proximity to the other passengers. I think in that situation most people would be terrified he would then lash out at them. I also think the whole thing happened so quickly it’s actually possible they didn’t realise she’d been stabbed at first. There wasn’t a lot of blood straight away and it looks like she wasn’t even sure herself what had happened. A lot of stabbing victims report that they actually think they’ve been punched as it feels the same at first. So I don’t think it’s fair that the whole internet seems to be so keen to vilify everyone else in that carriage. Who knows what any of us would have done in that situation.

I grew up and spent 27 years of my life in Brixton and Croydon and you learn very quickly to keep your head down, don’t make eye contact and don’t get involved. You shouldn’t have to do that but that’s how you survive.

I saw a still on FB earlier where the attacker was staring straight at the camera at some point during the attack, and the expression on his face was truly chilling. Poor Iryna, if only she'd sat somewhere else this tragedy may never have happened. Who knows what any of us would do with an erratic man waving around a knife dripping with blood, I am sure I would freeze or try and get away from him if I was in that position. I'm not saying it's right, just instinctive self-preservation.
RIP Iryna Zarutska, I am so sorry this happened to you.

Edited to add: I think there was a longer post about this at the time, to do with race. I didn't read it at the time as I didn't know what it was about and think it was deleted as I haven't been able to find it since.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/DP-U8Fdi3GA

She looked terrified and in shock. Crying and looking up then collapsed and bled to death on the floor. Its awful, poor young woman, full of hope for her new life in America after fleeing the war in Ukraine.

He stabbed her in the neck. Many reports online of him uttering that he kilked the white bitch. Most videos have no sound but he is seen rambling in them and peoplehave read his lios too. Maybe a race motive. He should be locked up forever. He has schizophrenia.

She was assisted by a man from a completely different carriage and a man from her carriage gets up walks past her following the man that attacked her who was dripping her blood everywhere, possibly trying to get him stopped.

Poor young woman. Its tragic.