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Helleborer · 13/04/2025 18:02

You haven’t posted the content of the email, and neither has LBC. You’re therefore just parroting hearsay that nobody appears to have the detail of, therefore there is no news. What is the point in even posting this?

Gundogday · 13/04/2025 18:03

If this is the case, why weren’t this ‘evidence’ used at the trial?

WhatWouldJeevesDo · 13/04/2025 18:04

Gundogday · 13/04/2025 18:03

If this is the case, why weren’t this ‘evidence’ used at the trial?

Non-disclosure.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 13/04/2025 18:05

Helleborer · 13/04/2025 18:02

You haven’t posted the content of the email, and neither has LBC. You’re therefore just parroting hearsay that nobody appears to have the detail of, therefore there is no news. What is the point in even posting this?

Yes it is in the LBC article.

‘Prior to the start of the police investigation, Dr Jayaram wrote: "At time of deterioration ... Staff nurse Letby at incubator and called Dr Jayaram to inform of low saturations."
The revelatory memo appears to contradict previous testimony, with the evidence not making it into documents handed to police prior to the start of the investigation.
In the newly released email, Dr Jayaram also suggested Baby K's fragile premature condition was instead the cause of death, saying: "Baby subsequently deteriorated and eventually died, but events around this would fit with explainable events associated with extreme prematurity."’

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 13/04/2025 18:09

Basically, Jayaram’s later claim to have arrived at the baby’s bedside because he didn’t trust Letby and finding her standing there not doing anything or calling for help (his claim to have caught her 'virtually red handed’ not doing anything or calling for help) is contradicted by an email he himself sent which says that the reason he was there was because she had called him.

myplace · 13/04/2025 18:11

Letby didn’t call for help, she just stood there red handed, says bloke.
She called me because she was worried about the baby, says bloke.

Hope he’s prosecuted

intothefifth · 13/04/2025 18:18

I don’t trust a word those doctors say.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 13/04/2025 18:54

intothefifth · 13/04/2025 18:18

I don’t trust a word those doctors say.

I can’t get over the dishonesty it would take to lie like that knowing you were utterly destroying an innocent person.
I really, really hope everyone who has contributed to this will be held to account: Jayaram, Evans and the police with their sorry excuse for an investigation.

Needtosoundoffandbreathe · 13/04/2025 18:57

Easier to scapegoat one person with no partner or kids than to hold the whole hospital trust to account? I don't know how someone who lies to such effect on someone else's life lives with themselves, if indeed that is what happened.

WhatWouldJeevesDo · 13/04/2025 19:16

It also discredits everyone who received the email. They knew he was changing his story.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 13/04/2025 22:02

WhatWouldJeevesDo · 13/04/2025 19:16

It also discredits everyone who received the email. They knew he was changing his story.

And everyone who had seen the email in the course of the investigation and knew it existed.

prh47bridge · 15/04/2025 07:38

According to reports elsewhere, this was an email sent by Jayaram to other doctors when they were trying to sort out their story so that the police would be interested in the case. It isn't clear at what stage the police got hold of this email, but it should clearly have been disclosed to the defence. It wasn't. If it had been, it would, at the very least, have undermined Jayaram's evidence with respect to the baby concerned.

I don't know if Letby is innocent or guilty, but I don't think she should have been convicted on the evidence presented. Things that have emerged since conviction have strengthened my view. Unfortunately, because of the way the Court of Appeal operates, she will struggle to get her convictions overturned. Even if she is completely innocent and manages to get her convictions overturned, her life has been ruined. I doubt she will ever be able to work as a nurse again. There will always be those who believe she is guilty.

Needtosoundoffandbreathe · 15/04/2025 07:42

Completely agree with your post @prh47bridge The "no smoke without fire mob" will be on her trail forever more if things ever get that far.

WillowTit · 15/04/2025 07:42

i tend to trust the doctors

Youcancheck · 15/04/2025 07:43

This is horrific . Those poor parents. They must be going through hell constantly. Not knowing what happened and seems that either option is the fault of someone and could have been avoided. Seems far more likely now that it was a badly run, poorly staffed negligent unit and a subsequent cover up.

Needtosoundoffandbreathe · 15/04/2025 07:44

WillowTit · 15/04/2025 07:42

i tend to trust the doctors

Given what is coming out here, that could be a foolish position.

XelaM · 15/04/2025 07:44

Didn't ALL those babies die during her shifts? What are the chances of that just being a coincidence?

WhatWouldJeevesDo · 15/04/2025 07:52

XelaM · 15/04/2025 07:44

Didn't ALL those babies die during her shifts? What are the chances of that just being a coincidence?

Based on what we know now, about a hundred per cent.

Enoughisenough689 · 15/04/2025 07:57

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 13/04/2025 18:54

I can’t get over the dishonesty it would take to lie like that knowing you were utterly destroying an innocent person.
I really, really hope everyone who has contributed to this will be held to account: Jayaram, Evans and the police with their sorry excuse for an investigation.

I’ve always viewed Jayaram with suspicion.

This is from a Guardian article in 2024,

“He has shied away from praise for blowing the whistle on Letby, tearfully telling ITV News last year: “I’m not a hero. I was just doing my job.

His television work at one point risked derailing his evidence in court after it was reported on the eve of the trial that he was working on a TV drama about Letby with the Line of Duty creator Jed Mercurio.”

happy20218 · 15/04/2025 08:01

@WhatWouldJeevesDo - nope , just the baby’s they selected to charge against . There are more deaths but when she wasn’t on shift. There’s a fantastic documentary's on it all online . It’s explains a lot

intothefifth · 15/04/2025 08:03

Enoughisenough689 · 15/04/2025 07:57

I’ve always viewed Jayaram with suspicion.

This is from a Guardian article in 2024,

“He has shied away from praise for blowing the whistle on Letby, tearfully telling ITV News last year: “I’m not a hero. I was just doing my job.

His television work at one point risked derailing his evidence in court after it was reported on the eve of the trial that he was working on a TV drama about Letby with the Line of Duty creator Jed Mercurio.”

And yet when anyone raises concerns about letby’s conviction the ‘how dare you upset the poor parents’ statements come out. But a TV drama is fine and won’t upset them at all, will it?

QuillBill · 15/04/2025 08:08

WillowTit · 15/04/2025 07:42

i tend to trust the doctors

Why?

EilishMcCandlish · 15/04/2025 08:14

"At time of deterioration ... Staff nurse Letby at incubator and called Dr Jayaram to inform of low saturations."

What is missing from the ellipsis? It could state something like 'At the time of deterioration, X left Staff nurse Letby at the incubator and called Dr Jayaram to inform of low saturations.'