I feel physically sick...

[BouncingTurtle]

Latest news just on, 2 boys aged 2 and 6 found dead in a parked car.
Wasn't any more details but it has been a very warm day.
I do pity their parents. If it turns out they were negligent I can't find it in myself to condemn them, they have paid had a terrible price.
It was in Lennoxtown, north of Glasgow.

Why on earth does everything have to come down to mental illness?

Why on earth should these bastards who murder their own children be treated with compassion as opposed to the contempt they so clearly deserve?

It was the same with John Hogan. He got away with murder because he cried mental illness and the courts believed him. Never mind that he had threatened to burn down the house with his wife and children in it before he actually threw his children off a balcony ey. And now he apparently is well enough to return back to the UK and wants to be a part of his daughter?s life the daughter he tried to murder. No wonder his wife is moving to Australia.

I don?t see people calling for compassion for Ian Brady, or Huntley, or Peter Sutcliffe, so why should we have compassion for people who murder their own children? Why?

I agree with you wannaBe. These people if you want to go so far as to say men then do so, but they are monsters.

To think that if it was their farther that did this to them, they trusted them. I don't think their is a greater crime in live then breaking the trust that your children have for you. As a parent you are suppose to keep them save, to hug them when they are scared, how can you then turn around for whatever reason and hurt them I'm not just talking about murder I'm talking about ANY FORM of hurt.

They trusted him.

Yeah, right, Sophable, pyschobabble is sooo important. You are having a go at me for daring to disagree with you and using stereotypes and crass generalisations to do it.

How come arguing with you makes me somehow a lesser person, with suspect motivations? I'm extrapolating based on nothing at all? Look for the mote in your own eye... I'm concentrating on what he did, not looking for easy excuses.

As for the simplistic 'evil separates him from you', thanks for the insult to my intelligence. I'm not turning up to hurl abuse at the black maria as it delivers him to court, you know.

Doesn't matter how much you dress it up, sometimes people do do evil things.

edam over here please if you would

have posted on the other thread, Soph.

'do you think you can be of totally sound mind and kill your children? I guess it is possible, but extremely unlikely. '

Go and spend some time with some of the inmates of the Texas prison system.

You'll see just how likely it is.

Some people aren't mentally ill, they're sick.

Just like some people aren't crazy, they're fanatics.

'do you think you can be of totally sound mind and kill your children? I guess it is possible, but extremely unlikely. '

Go and spend some time with some of the inmates of the Texas prison system.

You'll see just how likely it is.

Some people aren't mentally ill, they're sick.

Just like some people aren't crazy, they're fanatics.

This is an awful thing to happen, and quite natural i think for people to feel deep anger and hatred towards the father. I personally dont care if he is mentally ill or not, i dont think he should be treated with any compassion. Mental illness is not an excuse for heinous (sp) crimes like this. I watched something on the TV last night that made me feel physically sick, it was on a program that was investigating sexual "normalicy" - I thought it was going to be a lighthearted look at fetish etc. It wasnt, it was quite interesting, but they interviewed a peadophile who thought it perfectly acceptable that he wanted to have sex with 7-10 year old girls. He said he hadnt because he didnt want to break the law , that he has a 7yo daughter who he would be quite happy if someone wanted to engage in sexual relations with her . He didnt see any harm in it, he didnt want to hurt the children, was just attracted to them - Well im sorry but if i had a dog that potentially would bite a child i would have the dog put to sleep. This man has the potential to harm the child, is he mentally ill?? You know what? I actually don't care - i think he should be castrated, and if that doesnt work, euthanasia, he was abused as a child and im very sorry for that, but if it stops someone like that looking at my child in a sexual way or god forbid even worse - give me the syringe, i'll inject him myself.

This is how i feel about the father of those two boys, im sorry for his troubles, but i dont care - an eye for an eye - he should be killed.

LEM, do you not think there might be some cases that warrent some compassion. this one for example, which does seem to be due to mental illness?

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Andrea Yates, now in a mental institution for what will probably be the rest of her life, murdered her 5 children after a very long, well-documented struggle with post partum psychosis and delusional, paranoid schizophrenia.

The difference is that when she actually committed the murders, there was no premeditation to it like this one - pick up the kids from the other parent, drive them to more remote location where they don't know anyone, etc.

It was just, well, mad and insane. She drowned them, then dressed most of them and laid them in bed with blankets, then phoned 999 and very calmy told them God and the colour blue told her to kill her kids.

She'd been discharged from a mental hospital shortly before, against her psychiatrist's wishes (her insurance ran out and her husband was unwilling to pay for her further care) and her husband - a devout Christian - also didn't like her taking her medication because it made it too hard for her to care for all the kids whilst he went to work - she was 24/7 with all of them as she was supposed to be homeschooling as well.

little pixie, in the case of peadophiles, yes, have compassion, i still think they should be put to sleep or castrated.

I remember that story, and i have to say, i felt terribly sorry for that man, and i think that does answer the questions raised about acute psychotic episodes - i think that was something very different though, he had no reason whatsoever for what he did, and how he can live with that i just don't know - he has his punishment from his own heart. The man who killed his two sons due to divorce etc - well no, im sorry, i dont feel any compassion for him, mentally infirm? I don't doubt it - but his actions were that of, well if I cant have them.........

I think expat has summed up my feelings quite well there, this was premeditated, whether or not you have to be sane to premeditated is for the professionals to argue out, i think that insanity will still allow it - but where do you draw the line???

REading the link about the man who killed his daughter was sickening and terrifying actually. He clearly was battling with some pretty awful demons.

I have PND and extreme anxiety, i have some pretty outlandish thoughts - reading stuff like this really does frighten me. Would i ever harm my child? I'd harm myself first - but hten i guess that is what he says, terrible just terrible

I remember reading about that when it happened and at the time I did think it was incredibly sad.

But there's a vast difference between someone who flips like that and commits such a horrible act while clearly not being in possession of his facalties, and someone who pre-meditatedly drives to a remote location and murders his children in cold blood, or who throws his children off a balcony in the heat of a family row.

I do feel some compassion for Mr Izaga, and I think tha t it will be hard foor him to live with what he has done. I'm not sure though whether I could rebuild my life with someone like that if I'd been his wife.