I feel physically sick...

[BouncingTurtle]

Latest news just on, 2 boys aged 2 and 6 found dead in a parked car.
Wasn't any more details but it has been a very warm day.
I do pity their parents. If it turns out they were negligent I can't find it in myself to condemn them, they have paid had a terrible price.
It was in Lennoxtown, north of Glasgow.

Appalling. Slarty, maybe, but my guess would be the bastard wanted to punish his ex for daring to leave him.

yes. the 'bastard'. of course. no possibility of mental illness. we don't even know the father did it.

shame.

Poor little lads.
Mine are 4 years apart.

The only thing that is a shame is that two lovely little boys have died in such a violent way IMO

spot on, bikini.

can't imagine how terrified they must have been, or how the pain they felt - it's not a painless way to die.

i don't see where disease is an excuse to do whatever you want.

it doesn't make it ANY less wrong.

Don't be daft Sophable.

I happen to object to violent men, especially those who kill their children.

i guess my point was that until we know anything concrete it seems a little premature to be calling the father a bastard. for all we know he was burnt trying to stop this.

Sophable, yeah right. Are you ridiculously naive?

As far as I?m concerned, he is one selfish bastard who hopefully will die of extreme pain and then as tax payer?s we won?t have to keep the bastard in hospital or jail.
God love the poor mother.

reports suggest it is the father who is the perpetrator

i read father lived with girlfriend.

i'm sure it was the leprechaun who drove them out there to the middle of nowhere and killed them .

and the father just happened upon it and the leprechaun waved his magic wand at him and set him alight.

if his intention was to top himself then i hope he achieves his aims, because there'll never be any justice this system can mete out if he in fact killed them.

and the father just happened upon it and the leprechaun waved his magic wand at him and set him alight.

if his intention was to top himself then i hope he achieves his aims, because there'll never be any justice this system can mete out if he in fact killed them.

Mental illness-erm he drove them out to a quiet spot to kill them,pre meditated in my opinion.

If he survives he will probably play the insanity card to get off.

This is the area I grew up in - at the foot of the Campsie hills, and where my parents and most of my childhood friends still live.

It is God-awful what happened. No one would have looked twice at someone sitting in a car as that car park is very popular, especially with hill walkers.

My friend who lives in Lennoxtown, on the opposite end of town from the Crow Road, thought it was just another accident when she heard the fuss. She said that talk is, of course, of nothing else and that tonight, at the local shop the gossips were starting to take a rather racist slant. The vultures are starting early on this one.

Seems the evil little scrote stabbed his children to death. Disgusting.

I don't see why people who genuinely suffer from mental illness should be tarred with the same brush as violent bastards who kill their own children in order to revenge themselves on women who dare to leave them. There's a high degree of organistion and planning required to do something like this.

I'm terribly sorry to spoil a pitchfork fest but you show very little understanding of mental illness if you think that acute psychosis cannot involve a person planning.

this is a horror, a tragedy of unbelievable proportions. I don't think that verbally stoning the father of these children helps anyone at all does it?

do you think you can be of totally sound mind and kill your children? I guess it is possible, but extremely unlikely.

Sadly getting more common (seem to remember a news story about this, is FAR more common for fathers to kill/harm their children, mothers tend to harm themselves). Shocking that courts rarely take these kind of risks into account.

yes. women tend to internalise their reaction to pain, and self harm, men tend to act it out violently. that is a broad generalisation that is ime and imo true.

Poor little boys

Don't know what else to say.

Patronise me all you like but actually I have professional and personal knowledge of mental illness so don't assume you are much more expert than I am.

The assumption that anyone who commits a dreadful crime that is outside the comprehension of normal people must be mad is just faulty reasoning. The nature of the crime does not dictate the mental capacity of the criminal.

Perfectly sane people do evil things. You do a terrible disservice to people who really are grappling with mental illness to tar them with the same brush as evil-doers - and you are allowing evil people to escape responsibility for their actions.

As you must know if you are so familiar with mental illness, people affected by these conditions are much more likely to be victims of crime than perpetrators.

the exception being men in the throws of psychosis. Edam, you're extrapolating based on nothing at all in respect of this man and you should know much better. Like I said, how on earth does it help to chuck embittered insults at him? I guess it must help you in some way otherwise you wouldn't do it. And I guess that making him 'evil' separates him from you, denies his humanity and therefore protects you from acknowledging the full horror of this. So go ahead. I'm off.

This man will be seen by psychiatrists anyway, if he is to be charged with murdering these boys.
To equate being mentally ill with some terrible wrong-doing is wrong, and will do nothing to encourage people who may genuinely be mentally ill to seek help.