Women of Afghanistan

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I know this isn't news really but don't understand how a country can do this to its own citizens. This is a regime of total hate towards women;
The latest policy being that women are not allowed to hear other women's voices. This is in addition to an already long bizarre list:

Source: Telegraph.

There are plenty of men in Afghanistan opposed to the Taliban, but organised opposition is split between competing factions. But there are also many who do not think of women as anything like equal.

I don't think history will judge us well on our inaction.

Did you ask the same question of black people in SA during Apartheid? Why don't they just rise up? they did. There were regular protests, in fact before coming to power the ANC were recognised as a terrorist organisation, (one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter and all that).

As explained, the Afghanistani women can't rise up, they're not allowed to talk to each other or join a protest so they have less freedom than black people in SA. The point about SA was that they were systemically discriminated against and had no access to power.

What helped bring about change was international pressure on SA.

Plenty of blonde Palestinian Christians being massacred rn.

I can't imagine a worse existence. My heart breaks for these women and their children. We've started wars for much worse reasons than the liberation of half a population! I'd also support granting asylum to any woman living under these conditions.

There is a plenty of music produced in muslim countries. And sold.
The dancing in public, I do not doubt.
But music? And singing? No way.

I would too. In our town we have a number of Afghan asylum seekers, but all young men, for obvious reasons.

Yep would like to know where they left their nearest and dearest,?

Rakshana.com is a good website to look at. For example https://rukhshana.com/en/taking-the-taliban-to-court-what-lies-ahead-in-afghans-women-struggle-against-extreme-misogyny

Thank you.

Thing is, I think it’s a legitimate question to ask as to whether women, and especially women in other Islamic countries really disagree with these policies.

Often this can be a generational thing. If the older women still support it, then there’s a way to go before the younger women who have had a taste of freedom are likely to protest against it.

Obviously there are those who do and that goes without saying.

But you only have to look at the number of women even here in the UK who are still happy to wear a face covering, and who are still subservient to their husbands and the men around them.

My DP works with a young woman who, when talking about the protests in Iran, said that of course they were killed, they shouldn’t have been out there. And this is a woman who lives in the UK, and proclaims herself to be a feminist.

So I think that while from our POV it’s a hideous thing to be happening, I think that from the POV of other Muslims, even Muslim women, it isn’t, which is why more isn’t being said.

My DP works with a young woman who, when talking about the protests in Iran, said that of course they were killed, they shouldn’t have been out there. And this is a woman who lives in the UK, and proclaims herself to be a feminist.

A feminist said that women protesting for women's rights were justly killed?

She claims she is a feminist. Clearly her definition of feminism and the actual definition differ somewhat.

Clearly

There are plenty of women who are more than happy to throw other women under the bus. In the UK as well as just about everywhere else.
Madeleine Albright said there is a special place in hell for women who don't help other women. I agree with her. I despise those women as much as I despise the men.

Well, it is a lesson to learn and remember: never let it get that bad, rebel when any oppresion against others start. Once these crazy people take armed power, it becomes more and more difficult to overturn them.

That and that there is always someone prompt to blame the western christians for anything and everything and their counterparts to quickly say "this does not happen here", fgs! We had witches hunts, Henry VIII and family killing and burning people for their religion, the Inquisition, which burnt God knows how many.
We moved away from that. Now is the time of Islam to fight this crazy fanatics, who clearly do not believe in any God.

Also, Afghanistan is not the only forgotten issue. Sudan does not seem to exist, either. The numbers of displaced people are really shocking, the ethnic cleansing going on, the abuse of women, endless list really.

It's all immensely depressing. You look at it and you feel powerless. Those poor women.

I agree with all of this, especially your last paragraph. Look at the DRC, when was the last time Congo came up on the mainstream news?

Expecting the women to rise up is offensive in its lack of recognition of the conditions that those women live in. We do not expect prisoners to organise their own liberation. The further deprivations that come with grinding poverty including the daily lack of power and limitations on food alongside the real risk of torture and death for any who challenges the Taliban mean that anyone who cannot see the why these women are so trapped is either being deliberately obtuse or overwhelmingly lacking in empathy.

Funny how it's always the women who must be virtuous and never the men...

@NoraLuka I do not recall ever seeing a single piece of news coverage on Congo. People do mention it in threads like this, but the newspapers, news... I have not seen anything at all.
There is a very large list of horrors going on that we do not get coverage on here in UK. It is only talking with others that have family there or know for other reasons that we are made aware.
It is beyond sad.
I have sent my last two charity donations to Sudan. I do not have much money, but if I get some extra, I will send, via Unicef. Definitely at Christmas.

Yes, but that goes back thousands of years. All to do with making the father's identity as certain as possible, I assume, and also women being treated as property to be controlled by their male owners.

@BelgianBeers I do not think the suggestion is for only the women to raise against it, but for the nation to raise against the talibans.
The new rule of women not to speak to each other 100% points at them being organised to oppose the virtuous taliban rules.
None of this oppresive regimes will live very long. You cannot take all joy off people's life and remain in power.

You really think re-invading Afghanistan is the answer😂

Madeline Albright also said Iraqi children dying as result of sanctions was a price worth paying. I care about all human rights, not just 50%.