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Duncan Fisher: Stop ignoring fathers when babies are born

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Tom · 14/04/2008 09:53

The Independent. Monday, 14 April 2008

The only time that attention to fathers is really exercised is when a father is violent.

Consider the new mother who has just had a Caesarean. She needs help to pick up and settle the baby, on a ward where the midwives are overstretched. Or consider the new mother who cannot walk and whose baby is on the special care baby unit, two wards away. She needs the baby's father to help her speedily transfer expressed milk to the newborn ? but he has access only during "visiting hours".

In the NHS you are either a "patient" or a "visitor". And 30 years after it became normal for a father to attend baby's birth, there are still no formal NHS-wide standards for what he needs to know. Nor is there any formal guidance on how he can provide extra support to a mother who is sick or incapacitated after the birth.

Perhaps the ultimate expression of the "nanny state" is when a couple have just had a baby and ? at this heightened family experience ? the hospital says "now you have to part company ? dad, go home". Setting aside any opinions about the father's right to stay with his family, regularly excluding fathers from maternity services in this, and many other ways, has a detrimental effect on mothers and babies.

The NHS does not even have a system of formally registering who the father is, let alone formally assessing his own needs ? does he smoke? Does he know how to support breastfeeding? When my two children were born, my partner was asked only one question about me ? does he have any genetic abnormalities in his family? I was not even asked my name. And yet research shows that, when it comes to the health of mother and baby ? smoking, breastfeeding, depression ? I am the biggest influence. I am uniquely able to support her and my baby and I am uniquely able to screw them both up. Despite the enlightened work of countless midwives and birthing units who genuinely see that a birth is a family event that needs as light a touch as possible from professionals, the NHS continues to commission a system designed for the 1950s. Every maternity unit is filled with fathers ? well over 90 per cent are involved at some point before, during or after the birth. And yet, high-level policy debates in the NHS can continue for hours as if men simply did not exist.

The only time that attention to fathers is really exercised is when a father is violent. A focus on violence is absolutely right, but what if as much energy was expended on mobilising the positive support that the vast majority of fathers provide, or could provide, to mother and baby?

Firstly, fathers would be registered into maternity services and formally engaged with. The failure of a father to show up would result in an enquiry ? no compulsion, just an informed conversation with the mother about what she wants and what is best for baby when it comes to making sure the father is informed and positively engaged.

All health information would be routinely communicated to both parents ? breastfeeding, smoking, mental health, vaccinations. Mother-only provision should always be available but as special provision for special needs, not the default. And if the father is a source of problems, it is no good the NHS just walking away from it ? that won't stop him causing problems the moment the baby is back at home. Fathers in this situation should be treated exactly as mothers in the same situation: extra engagement, not less.

At the heart of the problem is still the cultural expectation that babies are mum's business only. As one young black father said to a government group on children's services recently: "It is too easy for young dads to walk away from their responsibilities."

What happens when a father does not engage? Absolutely nothing. The moral panic only sets in later when the same father fails to pay child support ? then suddenly he is reclassified from a "nobody" to a "feckless father". In the US, where they trialled a simple process of midwives talking to young fathers when they visited their partners, child support payments went up.

Things have to change. When a baby is born, fathers are as responsible for the little one as mothers are. At every point in the process, an expectation of his full involvement should be communicated to both parents.

And this new vision needs to extend far beyond maternity services. Employers still expect that only women, and not men, will compromise work for caring responsibilities. The Government has just introduced a system where fathers get two weeks and mothers get 52 weeks ? the biggest difference in leave entitlement of any country in the world. If we keep going backwards: fathers will be excluded more and mothers will pay a heavier price for being left alone on the high throne of motherhood.

The writer is the chief executive of the Fatherhood Institute.

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Tom · 14/04/2008 17:33

I love the search for 'what's wrong' with the site going on here

Yes, coppertop, when you take into account the time older children spend at school and time asleep, I believe parental childcare averages out at about 8 hours a day.

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dittany · 14/04/2008 17:37

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lulumama · 14/04/2008 17:39

surely you are taking it on board, though?

especially if there are further innacuracies regarding medical information on the site

and if you are alienating women with the site, surely it is counter productive?

Tom · 14/04/2008 17:45

I'm making notes of factual innacuracies pointed out yep. You'll see the changes (e.g. Pethadine one - done).

Quite a bit of the criticism is for things we arent doing though...

  • we're not into fathers rights and we do not advocate fathers rights anywhere on the site (see our separation section, for example - it's all about making it work for your kids in partnership with their mum),
  • there are loads of pictures of women on the site, women writers and articles about women's health, making your relationship work etc,
  • we're not asking women to go back to work so that men can take time off
  • the Godfather is one of the greatest movie dad characters in the history of cinema (and we're not promoting his parenting skills - we discribe him as a monster!).

Many of the comments remind me of what men say about visiting parenting sites for women.
So yes, I'm taking some things on board, but mainly where the points are accurate and constructive. I'm ignoring the personal insults.

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LookattheLottie · 14/04/2008 17:46

This is new to me. When I was in hospital having dd your birth partner, be it the father, a friend, your mum etc were allowed in at any time. There were no restrictions on visiting hours for the birth partner. There wasn't an issue of over crowding as there were only 6 beds in each section of the ward. All beds had curtains to pull round if you wanted privacy. And only 3 of the beds were taken, mine included. On my last day and night, I had the section all to myself - bliss!

To be honest, I didn't even notice people were in half the time!

lulumama · 14/04/2008 17:48

i will have more of a read of it later. and let you know of any other inaccuracies.

Tom · 14/04/2008 17:48

Thanks!

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sleepycat · 14/04/2008 17:49

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Tom · 14/04/2008 17:51

Classic example of undeserved criticism sleepycat:

Where does it say that men and women are equal parents?

Where does it say men can deliver or breastfeed a child?

What exactly is wrong about writing about parenting from a dad's perspective? It is, as you say, a completely different to a woman's experience.

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Beetroot · 14/04/2008 17:52

get over it

men just don't need to be there for all the appointments

It is not about them

It is about mother and baby

Great to ahve them at the birth but if Ihad my babies in hospital (which I don't) I would have to be bumping into loads of men wandering aroudn the palce

It is a woman thing

misdee · 14/04/2008 17:54

even dh says that mothers and fathers have very different roles. he can change nappies (actually must check with tx team on that one), he can do the laundry, he can play with the children, he can cook meals, but he cant breastfeed.

maybe i am lucky, in the sense that i didnt need any physcial help after giving birth. what i did need was for the hospital to take injto account dh needs with regard to moving about the hospital easily, and they did that. they called porters for him to take him back to the car, they looked after him when i gave birth, they were very accomodating. bearing in mind, by that point he had been discharged from the hospitals care already and was being treated by harefield.

girlfrommars · 14/04/2008 18:00

You have said that some people recommend BF for up to a year- the WHO says exc. for 6 months, but recommended for 2 years.

You haven't mentioned that bottles aren't the only way, and that cups can be used for EBM or formula.

Information for Dads sounds like a great idea, but if you're going to act as a source of info, try and make sure that it is accurate and complete info.

It seems to be a bit half arsed at the moment.

Tom · 14/04/2008 18:01

Dittany I'm the publisher of Dad Info. In charge of web development and content (although it's all written by other writers, not me).

The Dad Info team consists of one married father, one single dad (me), one single mum and two midwives.

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misdee · 14/04/2008 18:06

dd3 preferred a soft spouted cup for expressed breastfeeds rather than a bottle, when dh was in intensive care. she never really took to a bottle.

in an ideal world every set of parents would have their own rooms whilst at hospital, but there just isnt enough resources for it to be done.

last time, i spent 5 days in a ward of 6 beds. for 24hours dd3 was actually down in SCBU due to low sugar levels. what i needed was a quiet place to hide away afterwards when she came back to the ward with the tube in place. i ended up tube feeding her whilst trying to stop an wandering toddler (not mine!) opening my curtains. i needed privacy and couldnt get it as the side rooms were taken up already.

Tom · 14/04/2008 18:07

No I didn't write it. Its a campaign by the Fatherhood Institute - we're a separate company.

I don't know what she thinks - I don't really talk to her about my work, just our child.

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Tom · 14/04/2008 18:09

But my girlfriend's a nurse and she thinks it's brilliant

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expatinscotland · 14/04/2008 18:12

As a patient, a woman who has just given birth, I do not want to spend the night on a ward with strange men.

I don't care who they are.

After birth, I feel exhausted, sore and emotional, especially as I suffer from antenatal depression requiring medication and have to have my medication adjusted.

I feel that sharing a unit with strange men is a violation of my privacy and dignity, and possibly a compromise of my health and my baby's.

I would like to see more staff available to help us mothers post-partum - with our health needs and those of our babies, NOT even more people in the unit.

I do not care to share corridors, bathrooms or space with strange men, and would not impose my own husband on the privacy of women during this vulnerable time.

I would actively campaign against these aims of the Fatherhood Institute.

We, the women, the patients, need more midwifes, nurses and auxilliary help, not more visitors who disturb our rest, breastfeeding and recovery.

Tom · 14/04/2008 18:13

And I'm off now... its dinner/bath/bedtime for my boy.

If anyone has any constructive comments (factual innacuracies especially) please let me know by going here and choosing 'editorial' - your mail will come to me.

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Blandmum · 14/04/2008 18:14

agree with you 100% expat. i didn't want anyone elses dp/h there either.

and Tom hasn't explained how he would saitisy his desire to be there 24/7 and our desire for a degree of privacy.

juuule · 14/04/2008 18:15

Expat - I feel exactly the same as you.

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