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Duncan Fisher: Stop ignoring fathers when babies are born

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Tom · 14/04/2008 09:53

The Independent. Monday, 14 April 2008

The only time that attention to fathers is really exercised is when a father is violent.

Consider the new mother who has just had a Caesarean. She needs help to pick up and settle the baby, on a ward where the midwives are overstretched. Or consider the new mother who cannot walk and whose baby is on the special care baby unit, two wards away. She needs the baby's father to help her speedily transfer expressed milk to the newborn ? but he has access only during "visiting hours".

In the NHS you are either a "patient" or a "visitor". And 30 years after it became normal for a father to attend baby's birth, there are still no formal NHS-wide standards for what he needs to know. Nor is there any formal guidance on how he can provide extra support to a mother who is sick or incapacitated after the birth.

Perhaps the ultimate expression of the "nanny state" is when a couple have just had a baby and ? at this heightened family experience ? the hospital says "now you have to part company ? dad, go home". Setting aside any opinions about the father's right to stay with his family, regularly excluding fathers from maternity services in this, and many other ways, has a detrimental effect on mothers and babies.

The NHS does not even have a system of formally registering who the father is, let alone formally assessing his own needs ? does he smoke? Does he know how to support breastfeeding? When my two children were born, my partner was asked only one question about me ? does he have any genetic abnormalities in his family? I was not even asked my name. And yet research shows that, when it comes to the health of mother and baby ? smoking, breastfeeding, depression ? I am the biggest influence. I am uniquely able to support her and my baby and I am uniquely able to screw them both up. Despite the enlightened work of countless midwives and birthing units who genuinely see that a birth is a family event that needs as light a touch as possible from professionals, the NHS continues to commission a system designed for the 1950s. Every maternity unit is filled with fathers ? well over 90 per cent are involved at some point before, during or after the birth. And yet, high-level policy debates in the NHS can continue for hours as if men simply did not exist.

The only time that attention to fathers is really exercised is when a father is violent. A focus on violence is absolutely right, but what if as much energy was expended on mobilising the positive support that the vast majority of fathers provide, or could provide, to mother and baby?

Firstly, fathers would be registered into maternity services and formally engaged with. The failure of a father to show up would result in an enquiry ? no compulsion, just an informed conversation with the mother about what she wants and what is best for baby when it comes to making sure the father is informed and positively engaged.

All health information would be routinely communicated to both parents ? breastfeeding, smoking, mental health, vaccinations. Mother-only provision should always be available but as special provision for special needs, not the default. And if the father is a source of problems, it is no good the NHS just walking away from it ? that won't stop him causing problems the moment the baby is back at home. Fathers in this situation should be treated exactly as mothers in the same situation: extra engagement, not less.

At the heart of the problem is still the cultural expectation that babies are mum's business only. As one young black father said to a government group on children's services recently: "It is too easy for young dads to walk away from their responsibilities."

What happens when a father does not engage? Absolutely nothing. The moral panic only sets in later when the same father fails to pay child support ? then suddenly he is reclassified from a "nobody" to a "feckless father". In the US, where they trialled a simple process of midwives talking to young fathers when they visited their partners, child support payments went up.

Things have to change. When a baby is born, fathers are as responsible for the little one as mothers are. At every point in the process, an expectation of his full involvement should be communicated to both parents.

And this new vision needs to extend far beyond maternity services. Employers still expect that only women, and not men, will compromise work for caring responsibilities. The Government has just introduced a system where fathers get two weeks and mothers get 52 weeks ? the biggest difference in leave entitlement of any country in the world. If we keep going backwards: fathers will be excluded more and mothers will pay a heavier price for being left alone on the high throne of motherhood.

The writer is the chief executive of the Fatherhood Institute.

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SueBaroo · 14/04/2008 15:45
edam · 14/04/2008 15:46

(And either read up on breastfeeding or stop spouting off about it. You are clearly ill-informed so it's very rude to attempt to correct people who know a darn sight more about it than you, having actually done it themselves.)

beaniesteve · 14/04/2008 15:46

The best thing they can do for fathers is increase paternity leave.

edam · 14/04/2008 15:47

Yup. But not force women back to work so dads can have some time off, as Tom seems to suggest.

misdee · 14/04/2008 15:57

ah spankydad, great post.

dittany · 14/04/2008 15:58

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Graciefer · 14/04/2008 15:59

Indeed my bug bear is the experiences we have had during delivery and post-natally, as I said before even a little common curtiousy would go a long way in helping to address this.

As it happens my DH did attend ante-natal classes with me for DS1, where it seemed to be an atmosphere of the men should be seen and not heard. Thats where the available literature came in handy and neither of us attended any ante-natal classes for DS2.

I am sure there are excellent health care workers out there, that are brilliant with fathers, however in my experience most at best ignored my DH and at worst treated him with contempt if he dared to ask a question (like when he asked about a domino birth, as I had asked him to).

I know how I would of felt if the boot was on the other foot so to speak and know he would support me, I do agree however that unfortunately the resources and infrastructure aren't there to cater for everyones needs, that however does not make it right for this not to be strived for IMHO.

edam · 14/04/2008 16:05

Sounds like the 'care' you had was shit from start to finish, tbh, Graciefier. I do feel for you and your dh.

lulumama · 14/04/2008 16:07

i think tom has posted here to get lots of lovely free publicity for his website

SueW · 14/04/2008 16:12

Tom's been posting here for years, to be fair, although he hasn't posted as much in the past 3-4 years, maybe. Lost track really. But he's kosher and he and mumsnet HQ are on v friendly terms AFAIK.

lulumama · 14/04/2008 16:12

just reading a bit re pain relief in labour, and it says that, WRT to pethdine being given as pain relief

" * Also affects the baby who becomes floppy ? and will need an antidote injection."

that is patently not true UNLESS the pethidine is given too close to the time of birth,and the baby is too sleepy to breathe.

sorry, but i am all for dads having information, but CORRECT information is more important.

edam · 14/04/2008 16:13

Yeah, I looked at his site, Godfather image is odd. And article on what new dads can do - written by someone from the Royal College of Midwives - says 'take the baby' from your partner after a feed. Not in a 'this is a suggestion' way but in a 'this is an order' way (using the imperitive). Frankly if dh had yanked ds away from me the minute he'd finished a feed I would have lamped him (dh, not ds)!

dittany · 14/04/2008 16:13

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lulumama · 14/04/2008 16:13

fair enough sue.

edam · 14/04/2008 16:15

Well, his knowledge of b/f is far from perfect and what's worse he has a go at anyone who knows better than him (like, people who have actually done it or understand what 'exclusively' means).

And the bits about questioning doctors and midwives while your partner is giving birth could do with being rewritten to make it plain the man is there to support his partner, not over-ride her!

edam · 14/04/2008 16:16

Bet Tom used to say We're pregnant.

dittany · 14/04/2008 16:20

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girlfrommars · 14/04/2008 16:21

Have you seen this page?

Tom · 14/04/2008 16:41

V busy with kids at the mo - but will respond to some points:

  • Lulumama - thanks for pointing that out. Will change it. Am grateful for anyone pointing out factual innacuracies on the site. Don't really need mumsnet for publicity though - you're all mums! lol
  • Godfather image is for an article on Movie dads.
  • Dittany - for single dads, new partners relationships with your kids is an issue. There's no reference to fathers rights on the site - we don't believe in them. Absence of women comment is odd - most of the pregnancy information is all about supporting your partner, and we've got a whole section on women's health.

In our pregnancy emails by Mar Hamilton there's a section every month on your partner's health.

Sorry if I've been short - absolutely manic today - work and kids sometimes just doesn't work!

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lulumama · 14/04/2008 16:45

yes, with male husbands and partners, brothers, friends etc... so , you know, if the site was good, we might mention it to them???

anyhoo, i think that you should be very careful if you are wanting to empower men and give them information ,and they can be a part of the process, that you give correct information

am not going to read the rest and check it for accuracy !

spankydad · 14/04/2008 16:53

To be fair to Tom, I'm dads and dad's rights do need an advocate, and he obviously is working hard on this.

It is important though that we don't lose focus on what maternity services are all about; looking after mums and babies.

lulumama · 14/04/2008 16:53

you are right spankydad, but you know, get what you are advocating right ! and make sure it does not tick off the women./ mothers

but 10 / 10 for empowering dads

spankydad · 14/04/2008 16:58

Sorry, ignore that I'm.

dittany · 14/04/2008 17:06

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coppertop · 14/04/2008 17:20

I found this section of the website intriguing:

"Even though they work much longer hours, British fathers do one-quarter of the parental childcare during the average working week (about two hours a day), much more at weekends, one third when their partners work."

Do children now magically only need care for 8hrs a day?

Dh went to the appointments where I needed scans but there really wasn't much point in him attending the others. I imagine it's not much fun watching someone having their BP checked and their urine tested. In any case there are no rules saying that fathers can't attend if they and their partners are happy with the idea.

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