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The driver in the Wimbledon school accident won't be charged?

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RiverF · 27/06/2024 06:23

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cw4448xx4keo

It sounds like a unavoidable and unforeseeable medical incident led to the tragedy, but the families wanted justice.

I can't begin to imagine their pain, but this is the right decision?

School photo images of Nuria Sajjad, left, and Selena Lau - Nuria has glasses and her long dark hair in bunches; Selena is smiling at the camera and has part of her shoulder-length dark hair in a plait

Wimbledon school crash: Woman faces no charges over girls' deaths

Nuria Sajjad and Selena Lau were hit by a Land Rover after the driver suffered an epileptic seizure.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cw4448xx4keo

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Janehasamane · 27/06/2024 17:22

needtonamechangeforthis1 · 27/06/2024 17:15

Who are you to judge whether her driving an SUV was reasonable though?

This was an ACCIDENT the same outcome could well have occurred with a smaller vehicle. Stop looking for people to blame when there is none.

I think some people like to attack. And as this was just a tragic accident, they move to the Car, to see if they can attack over that.

LaurieFairyCake · 27/06/2024 17:22

Poor woman, she will have to live with it forever plus is unlikely to drive again

Not remembering must be torture too

Hideous accident, those poor families

Sugartreemumma · 27/06/2024 17:31

sweetnessandlighter · 27/06/2024 06:38

Perhaps if she'd been driving a smaller, lighter vehicle the damage would have been less.

Yes, it makes no sense to use a 3 ton vehicle to transport a 60-70kg person!
But gvts wont make any laws which restrict the profits of the car industry.

Ksqordssvimy · 27/06/2024 17:35

LordSnot · 27/06/2024 17:21

Sorry, I don't know what you're talking about. I think you're posting to the wrong person.

It was in response to this, which you disputed? I don't think anyone has said this to be honest - people have kept it matter of fact. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-driver-who-killed-two-33113995
Ed

Driver who killed two girls in Land Rover school crash will face no charges

Selena Lau, 8, and fellow pupil Nuira Sajjad were killed when a Land Rover drover into pupils at The Study Prep school in Wimbledon, south-west London, on July 6 last year

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-driver-who-killed-two-33113995

Grammarnut · 27/06/2024 17:40

Bahhhhhumbug · 27/06/2024 12:54

I thought this, do people really need to drive these huge things around towns. Maybe just maybe one or both children could have been injured but survived.

I doubt that a smaller car would have done less damage.

Wimbledonmum1985 · 27/06/2024 17:42

SoupDragon · 27/06/2024 12:34

Which is why she has surrendered her license as all people with epilepsy who have had a seizure are required to do.

she doesn't need to be banned for life FFS. 🙄

I should hope she never gets behind the wheel of a car again. Disgraceful. Most of my local circle are devastated at this news.

Ksqordssvimy · 27/06/2024 17:42

LordSnot · 27/06/2024 17:21

Sorry, I don't know what you're talking about. I think you're posting to the wrong person.

Oh it was in response to the comment you made saying tabloids had issued a witch hunt. I said largely every outlet had behaved the same, which was fairly matter of fact as they were aware of the law and asked for evidence @lordsnot - no problem!

Oyrster · 27/06/2024 17:43

Wimbledonmum1985 · 27/06/2024 17:42

I should hope she never gets behind the wheel of a car again. Disgraceful. Most of my local circle are devastated at this news.

Do you feel that way about all drivers? As obviously, it had never happened before and it couldn't have been predicted

Why are 'your local circle' devastated? You'd rather someone deliberately tried to harm children rather than a terrible accident?

Daffodilsandbagels · 27/06/2024 17:44

JellyBeanFactory · 27/06/2024 17:11

One of the selling points of these expensive large SUVs is the safety features.

This car has a forward collision warning system which works by monitoring the road ahead of you and issuing audio and visual alerts if it senses an imminent collision.

It also has automatic and emergency braking system. This displays a warning in the event of an imminent collision and automatically applies the brakes if no action is taken by the driver.

I wonder why these didn't come into effect?

The safety features are designed to protect the driver, not people outside the car. That the driver survived and two children were killed tracks perfectly with the “safety features” of SUVs.

To PPs who are saying “there is no proof this wouldn’t also have happened with a smaller car” - SUVs are eight times more likely to kill children than standard smaller cars: road.cc/content/news/suvs-8-times-more-dangerous-kids-walking-or-cycling-295527

SocoBateVira · 27/06/2024 17:44

Wimbledonmum1985 · 27/06/2024 17:42

I should hope she never gets behind the wheel of a car again. Disgraceful. Most of my local circle are devastated at this news.

Hopefully the devastation is at the two tragic deaths and not the CPS decision not to charge someone whose medical records show they had an unforeseeable medical incident?

Youdontevengohere · 27/06/2024 17:46

Wimbledonmum1985 · 27/06/2024 17:42

I should hope she never gets behind the wheel of a car again. Disgraceful. Most of my local circle are devastated at this news.

If you had suffered a completely unexpected serious medical episode that had never happened before, you had no way of knowing it was going to happen, it had led to a diagnosis of a life threatening medical condition for you and it had caused a devastating accident, how would you want your local community to respond to you following it?

Ksqordssvimy · 27/06/2024 17:48

There are no winners are there?

SocoBateVira · 27/06/2024 17:49

Ksqordssvimy · 27/06/2024 17:48

There are no winners are there?

No, none at all. Utterly tragic accident. And there's no way to make there be any, either. So very sad.

user1984778379202 · 27/06/2024 17:50

Wimbledonmum1985 · 27/06/2024 17:42

I should hope she never gets behind the wheel of a car again. Disgraceful. Most of my local circle are devastated at this news.

Devastated she hasn't been jailed for an accident caused by a severe medical episode she had no control over?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 27/06/2024 17:50

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 27/06/2024 15:56

It's the 'hasn't since' bit that worries me. If it's true, prove it in court. Take the deaths of these little ones more seriously

When you say 'more seriously' you mean, of course, subvert the judicial process and find her guilty of something to satisfy your lust for revenge on the parents' behalf.

And how, exactly, do you prove a negative?

From what I've seen of it via quotes on here it's the Twitter mentality, MrsD - someone's decided she's at fault, so she must be, so she is, and if she doesn't want this said she's expected to defend herself to the mob Hmm

It's exactly the same sort of thing we saw with Nicola Bulley, the Charle's/Alfie's Army, the Princess of Wales and all the rest and it doesn't help anyone

needtonamechangeforthis1 · 27/06/2024 17:50

When this was very first reported - on the day it happened - it was reported the driver was being treated for a medical episode. Then it was retracted within an hour. But it was on at least two news reports i saw that day.

So I suspect she was still fitting when witnesses got to her.

LordSnot · 27/06/2024 17:50

Ksqordssvimy · 27/06/2024 17:35

It was in response to this, which you disputed? I don't think anyone has said this to be honest - people have kept it matter of fact. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-driver-who-killed-two-33113995
Ed

I think I see where the confusion is. My post was about the simplistic and unintelligent posters on this thread, not a criticism of how newspapers have reported this particular incident. Many posters on this thread have definitely not kept things matter of fact.

LordSnot · 27/06/2024 17:52

Ksqordssvimy · 27/06/2024 17:42

Oh it was in response to the comment you made saying tabloids had issued a witch hunt. I said largely every outlet had behaved the same, which was fairly matter of fact as they were aware of the law and asked for evidence @lordsnot - no problem!

Just saw this post. No, I said posters in this thread want a witch hunt and their kind of mentality is why the tabloids aim their writing at people who are barely literate but like simple and sensational headlines.

BreatheAndFocus · 27/06/2024 17:54

Wimbledonmum1985 · 27/06/2024 17:42

I should hope she never gets behind the wheel of a car again. Disgraceful. Most of my local circle are devastated at this news.

Disgraceful that she was unable to predict an unforeseeable medical issue? Again, for the hard of thinking - this could have been anyone. A person of previous good health has a sudden seizure/heart attack/stroke. That event is not disgraceful.

I doubt she’ll drive again after these tragic deaths, but people with controlled epilepsy are allowed to drive if they meet certain conditions. People who have heart attacks are allowed to drive again after 4 weeks, I think.

WiddlinDiddlin · 27/06/2024 17:56

Wimbledonmum1985 · 27/06/2024 17:42

I should hope she never gets behind the wheel of a car again. Disgraceful. Most of my local circle are devastated at this news.

And you'll do the same will you?

Because you've got every bit the same chance of having a seizure at the wheel as any other driver does, her included.

So you'll not drive just in case, as there is no other way of guaranteeing that you will never have a seizure whilst driving. None at all.

TotalAbsenceOfImperialRaiment · 27/06/2024 18:01

JellyBeanFactory · 27/06/2024 17:11

One of the selling points of these expensive large SUVs is the safety features.

This car has a forward collision warning system which works by monitoring the road ahead of you and issuing audio and visual alerts if it senses an imminent collision.

It also has automatic and emergency braking system. This displays a warning in the event of an imminent collision and automatically applies the brakes if no action is taken by the driver.

I wonder why these didn't come into effect?

The safety features are for the benefit of the people in the car, not the people outside it.

CelesteCunningham · 27/06/2024 18:08

Wimbledonmum1985 · 27/06/2024 17:42

I should hope she never gets behind the wheel of a car again. Disgraceful. Most of my local circle are devastated at this news.

Please spell out exactly what you think is disgraceful.

You do realise that there are thousands of drivers out there who have had one or more seizures, waited the requisite amount of time to be seizure free and then started driving again? You probably know a fair few. And that her riskiness as a driver in the future is no different to her riskiness if she'd had the seizure an hour earlier while doing the dishes?

I'm sorry you lost two little girls you knew (I'm assuming - posting as if you knew them if you didn't would be a fairly gross thing to do). It's an utter tragedy. But that doesn't mean the driver did anything wrong.

Sugartreemumma · 27/06/2024 18:11

TotalAbsenceOfImperialRaiment · 27/06/2024 18:01

The safety features are for the benefit of the people in the car, not the people outside it.

Clearly the aim is to have such a MASSIVE vehicle that when you mow people down you dont even notice.
So we are in an arms race, in a collision the smaller vehicle tends to come off worst, in order to feel safe on the road we all feel compelled to get bigger & bigger vehicles.

BreatheAndFocus · 27/06/2024 18:28

Epilepsy Action says that every day 80 people are diagnosed with epilepsy. All of those people will have had a first seizure. Sadly, a small number of those will be when driving.

PyongyangKipperbang · 27/06/2024 18:56

My mother had her first seizure last year in September at the age of 74, second just before Xmas and several since. She has only just had her diagnosis of atonic epilepsy after an EEG, a sleep deprived EEG, an MRI and various other tests, with all the waiting in between.

So roughly a year from first episode to diagnosis.

I understand the parents feelings, they want someone to blame, someone to hate, somone to pin all their grief on and they dont have that now. If it was a tragic accident then it's senseless and agonizing and there is nothing at all that could have been done differently to prevent it, they are going to struggle so badly with that. They have put their grief on hold in a sense for a year in order to wait for closure and they are never going to get it.

But that doesnt mean that an innocent woman should be pilliaried, in order for them to have a target to blame.

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