Another XL Bully dog out of control - shot dead by cops

[DistinguishedSocialCommentator]

Please report those that you see on the streets with these dogs that are not muzzled

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13214233/XL-Bully-killed-armed-police-went-rampage-injured-four-people-Battersea.html

[0sm0nthus]

Thank goodness the creature was shot dead, four grown men attacked by an animal that someone else kept as a pet, at least one very seriously injured.
It might as well be a lion for goodness sake, this is horrifying I can't believe this is still happening.

[DistinguishedSocialCommentator]

@0sm0nthus

Thank goodness the creature was shot dead, four grown men attacked by an animal that someone else kept as a pet, at least one very seriously injured.
It might as well be a lion for goodness sake, this is horrifying I can't believe this is still happening.

What is equally as worrying is the fact other dogs that may not meet the XL criteria but once they are ticked off, no holding them back

The idiots in the House of Commonds should have voted for all larger dogs to be muzzled in public

We must all report to the police if we see or know anyone not following the new rules.

Honestly, these dogs scare me especially in parks as we have young grandkids and the dogs are often off their lead. Even when they are on their leash, most of the people who are holding the lead are being dragged along and when the dog sees another dog, these people often can't hold the dog back or just about - scary for all other the other side of these large dogs

[0sm0nthus]

I agree, we all have a duty to report any of these dogs that we see whose owners are not complying with the law.
I've not seen any in my area lately but like you I am nervous of all large powerful dogs and think they should all be muzzled and on a short non-extending lead

[Itscatsallthewaydown]

TBH I don’t think I’d know one if I saw one. A lot of these breeds look very similar to me.

[WhatsTheUseOfWorrying]

There was a report of a very nasty attack by a Rottweiler recently as well.

I do hope we don’t get the “how dare they shoot this poor dog, it should have been restrained and sent to a shelter” or “I bet the dog was provoked” responses. There was lots of that after two XL dogs were shot in East London a few months ago.

Madness.

[0sm0nthus]

how dare they shoot this poor dog
I dont think they'd say that if they were the ones being attacked!

[SquirmOfEels]

They would only shoot the dog if there was no prospect of catching/retraining it by other means.

It's the second attack in Battersea recently (there was one in a small park near the Latchmere Leisure Centre in early February)

Dealing with shitty owners probably isn't top of the police's "to do" list, but if the public keep reporting apparent breaches, then it does nudge them towards action.

What is it about these dogs that makes them just snap and rampage? I've heard of spaniel rage - is there a parallel condition in this breed/type?

[0sm0nthus]

What is it about these dogs that makes them just snap and rampage?
they've been bred to hunt & kill humans with the same glee that terriers hunt & kills rats, that's what!

[SquirmOfEels]

@0sm0nthus

What is it about these dogs that makes them just snap and rampage?
they've been bred to hunt & kill humans with the same glee that terriers hunt & kills rats, that's what!

So there isn't a rage condition exacerbated by crappy covid-era breeding?

[DistinguishedSocialCommentator]

@Itscatsallthewaydown

TBH I don’t think I’d know one if I saw one. A lot of these breeds look very similar to me.

That is the problem as I said, they all look more than capable of tearing a child or frail person apart, Often those with these dogs are not up to the job in controlling these dogs should they decide to have a go.

I do feel sorry for the dog but I blame the lack of clear rules where anyone could see/report a dog that was not muzzled in public, ie a dog that is bigger than a big cat.

I bet you there are thousands who have not registered their xl dogs. Even worse, those who use these dogs to make them look good will soon go for another type of dog as many around that look like xl dogs and have the capacity to do serious damage.

[0sm0nthus]

@SquirmOfEels

So there isn't a rage condition exacerbated by crappy covid-era breeding?

I guess it could be characterized in many different ways.
Imo it's bound to happen if you keep a large muscular predator as a pet, treat it like a human so it's not subordinated in any way, it's gonna do what predators to, hunt & kill.
The trait referred to as 'gameness' also comes into it, fighting dogs are bred to be 'game' ie up for anything, enjoying the fight, becoming highly aroused very quickly and enjoying attacking & killing.
Ever seen a terrier kill a rat? They are mad with excitment & they love it. These dogs are bigger and much more powerful, they do similar things but go for larger prey

[SquirmOfEels]

I was referring to rage syndrome, not working instinct like terriers.

And take your responses to mean that no, this breed is not one of those known to have it.

I had read information suggesting quite the opposite on one of the sites that aggregates info about inbreeding, as attacks come without warning. Should I assume such sites are wrong? (If so, good, as rage syndrome is a significant danger in the breeds that are known to be susceptible)

[0sm0nthus]

I dont think it's rage syndrome

[enchantedsquirrelwood]

Someone had one escape near me (this year so since the new laws came in) and asked people in my local FB group to keep an eye out for it and when someone asked if it was muzzled when it escaped everybody had a go at them (it wasn't me, I stayed off the discussion!) saying aaah it's someone's pet don't be mean.

They'd have been moaning if someone had been attacked by it. Fortunately it was found and no harm done. But seriously the attitude. This type of dog is dangerous and should not be allowed to escape!

[Hellohah]

@DistinguishedSocialCommentator

What is equally as worrying is the fact other dogs that may not meet the XL criteria but once they are ticked off, no holding them back

The idiots in the House of Commonds should have voted for all larger dogs to be muzzled in public

We must all report to the police if we see or know anyone not following the new rules.

Honestly, these dogs scare me especially in parks as we have young grandkids and the dogs are often off their lead. Even when they are on their leash, most of the people who are holding the lead are being dragged along and when the dog sees another dog, these people often can't hold the dog back or just about - scary for all other the other side of these large dogs

All larger dogs?
Larger than what?

[TesticularHeft]

@0sm0nthus

What is it about these dogs that makes them just snap and rampage?
they've been bred to hunt & kill humans with the same glee that terriers hunt & kills rats, that's what!

How do you breed a dog to kill humans exactly?

It's simple. It's badly trained and powerful dogs. They are acting like this because they don't know how to act correctly. They are so powerful because backyard breeders have made them this way. There are many dogs that are equally powerful but they are not marketed to shit owners and thanks to Covid and the growth of general entitlement we have many many bad dogs out there now but a cockapoo can only do so much.

This ban isn't worth the paper it's written on and will simply result in another dog being bred /created but not trained.

[WhatsTheUseOfWorrying]

@TesticularHeft

How do you breed a dog to kill humans exactly?

It's simple. It's badly trained and powerful dogs. They are acting like this because they don't know how to act correctly. They are so powerful because backyard breeders have made them this way. There are many dogs that are equally powerful but they are not marketed to shit owners and thanks to Covid and the growth of general entitlement we have many many bad dogs out there now but a cockapoo can only do so much.

This ban isn't worth the paper it's written on and will simply result in another dog being bred /created but not trained.

Ban them as well then.

I agree that a better starting point would be to ban all dogs over a certain size/bite force and it may be that we’ll have to revise in later years to make sure that all other dogs capable of killing a grown man can’t be owned. There can be no justification for owning such a dog.

[DistinguishedSocialCommentator]

@WhatsTheUseOfWorrying

Ban them as well then.

I agree that a better starting point would be to ban all dogs over a certain size/bite force and it may be that we’ll have to revise in later years to make sure that all other dogs capable of killing a grown man can’t be owned. There can be no justification for owning such a dog.

and i the mean time, muzzle all dogs in public, even the tiny ones otherwise there still be confusion and re new law. So, no ifs, no buts, if a dog is not muzzled in public, fie the owner and take the dog away from them.

[EllieBellieBee]

@DistinguishedSocialCommentator

and i the mean time, muzzle all dogs in public, even the tiny ones otherwise there still be confusion and re new law. So, no ifs, no buts, if a dog is not muzzled in public, fie the owner and take the dog away from them.

What would you propose to do about Assistance Dogs? Many people who have assistance dogs rely on them to pick things up for them etc.

[DistinguishedSocialCommentator]

@EllieBellieBee

What would you propose to do about Assistance Dogs? Many people who have assistance dogs rely on them to pick things up for them etc.

Every case is judged by its merits unless you are referring to dogs for the visually impaired, these g=dogs can stay unmuzzled in public

Nest question

[Cosmosforbreakfast]

I'm in Scotland and these dogs are everywhere, not a muzzle in sight, some of them off leads. I've reported the owners who's names or addresses I know but what do I do about the amount of them in town or passing by the house? I don't know who the owners are or where they live. No seems to notice or care but it's not going to be long before a child is killed by one of these monstrosities.

[EllieBellieBee]

@DistinguishedSocialCommentator

Every case is judged by its merits unless you are referring to dogs for the visually impaired, these g=dogs can stay unmuzzled in public

Nest question

But you stated all dogs in your post. muzzle all dogs in public. Why would I be referring to guide dogs when I stated Assistance Dogs. You do realise Assistance Dogs do many tasks don’t you and they’re not just for the visually impaired. Also did you mean next question? Why would I have another question? Are you always rude?

[WhatsTheUseOfWorrying]

@EllieBellieBee

But you stated all dogs in your post. muzzle all dogs in public. Why would I be referring to guide dogs when I stated Assistance Dogs. You do realise Assistance Dogs do many tasks don’t you and they’re not just for the visually impaired. Also did you mean next question? Why would I have another question? Are you always rude?

It’s a reasonable question with a reasonable answer. If a dog is genuinely needed for assistance that requires it to be unmuzzled then fine (and it seems unlikely that dangerous dogs would ever be genuine assistance dogs anyway).

Genuine assistance dogs should be formally certified, if they’re not already.

[EllieBellieBee]

@Cosmosforbreakfast

I'm in Scotland and these dogs are everywhere, not a muzzle in sight, some of them off leads. I've reported the owners who's names or addresses I know but what do I do about the amount of them in town or passing by the house? I don't know who the owners are or where they live. No seems to notice or care but it's not going to be long before a child is killed by one of these monstrosities.

I’m in Scotland too, there was a spaniel killed in Dunblane earlier this week and the dog was destroyed. It’s becoming a weekly occurrence. We visited friends in Glasgow last week and I was shocked at the amount of XL Bully’s still being walked off lead with no muzzles on. It’s not just in Glasgow either, so many people are openly ignoring the new restrictions it’s frightening. We live very rurally and get a lot of wild campers, the amount of people letting these things off lead to run on the loch shores or up the hills unmuzzled is a regular occurrence. They seem to think they’re above the law but as you say it’s only a matter of time before a child is killed.

[DistinguishedSocialCommentator]

@EllieBellieBee

But you stated all dogs in your post. muzzle all dogs in public. Why would I be referring to guide dogs when I stated Assistance Dogs. You do realise Assistance Dogs do many tasks don’t you and they’re not just for the visually impaired. Also did you mean next question? Why would I have another question? Are you always rude?

I'm standing by what I have posted

Re assistance dogs they would only be expemt when trained by an approved org, then certified as such along with the owner having to eleible to an assistance dog and the not to be been on a list of banned dogs.

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