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Can't believe this is not being reported more widely

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jupiterhigh · 09/02/2024 17:41

westbridgfordwire.com/mum-of-two-collapsed-and-died-after-haemorrhage-waiting-at-qmc-ae/

39 year women waiting at A and E, she had been waiting for around 7 hours, became unconscious, they assumed she had left until finding her later, unconscious in her seat. She had a brain haemorrhage and died a couple of days later.

It's just so sad and scary.

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StarDolphins · 09/02/2024 23:55

I’m pretty sure the NHS has billions into it & I’m pretty sure a lot of this money is wasted. Chucking more billions isn’t going to solve the NHS crisis.

StarDolphins · 09/02/2024 23:59

LuluBlakey1 · 09/02/2024 18:55

That's your take. Mine is Junior Drs deserve better pay and this Government, by not dealing with that issue effectively has prompted this action. Their treatment of our NHS is disgraceful. I'm not a great fan of all aspects of its working practices but it is an institution to be treasured and protected not undermined and destroyed.

Or….they could stop wasting millions and this would free up millions to pay Jnr Drs more?

Ringpeace · 10/02/2024 00:04

MissRheingold · 09/02/2024 18:04

Let me guess.

You vote Tory and listen to right-wing propagandists like gammon spacehopper Nick Ferrari?

MCOut · 10/02/2024 00:22

MissRheingold · 09/02/2024 18:04

Them striking may very well save lives in the long run. I know people who have left medicine or locum full time because of this. This is not a situation of their making. Blame the Tories.

Allthingsdecember · 10/02/2024 00:36

This is terrifying, poor woman.

My local A&E still won’t allow anyone to accompany patients after COVID. It’s a horrible state of affairs, but this is exactly why patients need someone with them to advocate for them.

Merrymouse · 10/02/2024 00:42

MissRheingold · 09/02/2024 18:04

Because if they don’t go on strike this doesn’t happen? I’m not following your logic.

Merrymouse · 10/02/2024 00:49

StarDolphins · 09/02/2024 23:55

I’m pretty sure the NHS has billions into it & I’m pretty sure a lot of this money is wasted. Chucking more billions isn’t going to solve the NHS crisis.

Funding of the NHS has not kept up with need.

Healthcare costs billions, and it can only be run effectively if there is extra capacity that isn’t always used.

Money is certainly wasted when people go to A&E for help with conditions that are a matter for their GP or social services, but when those services are over stretched, A&E is where they will end up.

LSTMS30555 · 10/02/2024 00:50

£168.8 billion budget and its still not enough!
Yet staff claim they're aren't enough of them, there's not enough beds, shite equipment SO WHERE THE FUCK IS THE MONEY?
Sooner or later the NHS needs to be accountable for what the hell has happened and where the fuck that's being spent.
Instead of the constant whinging on for more money.

JessieLongleg · 10/02/2024 00:52

So sad story. Was in a&e at the weekend so many people, no seats, sitting on the floor. I had to ask security staff to find me a seat as on crutches. Nearly had a panic attack not a great atmosphere at all

carerneedshelp · 10/02/2024 01:05

LSTMS30555 · 10/02/2024 00:50

£168.8 billion budget and its still not enough!
Yet staff claim they're aren't enough of them, there's not enough beds, shite equipment SO WHERE THE FUCK IS THE MONEY?
Sooner or later the NHS needs to be accountable for what the hell has happened and where the fuck that's being spent.
Instead of the constant whinging on for more money.

Funnily enough I think you will probably find it's been spent on making sick and injured people well. To put it simply!

You know what it is there for.

Failure to plan for an increasing and aging population is on this government and every government over the past 30 years or more.

🙄

pepperminticecream · 10/02/2024 01:05

Nitesaredrawinin · 09/02/2024 23:18

Allthecatseverywhereallatonce…..
So what do you suggest the Government do. Yes they could pay a decent wage and then what ? Will the millions on waiting lists suddenly been seen will stories like this poor woman or baby not happen again will ambulances get to us quicker now? What’s the answer?

The answer is that we need to start paying for healthcare. The current system isn't working and if we want fully staffed and equipped hospitals we need to pay for those things (and pay for far more than our taxes are covering). We can't carry on with free healthcare and expect that we are going to get top care, it doesn't make sense.

carerneedshelp · 10/02/2024 01:07

@pepperminticecream we already do pay for our health care. Just not at the point of use.

AndThatWasNY · 10/02/2024 01:08

MissRheingold · 09/02/2024 18:04

You're shouting at the wrong bastards. Focus on the fucking Tory wankstains that have deliberately destroyed the NHs so they and their mates can make money by privatising healthcare.

reflecting2023 · 10/02/2024 01:43

MissRheingold · 09/02/2024 18:04

Right yes to improve conditions. Is that ok with you ???

reflecting2023 · 10/02/2024 01:45

Paying privately won't change anything

shearwater2 · 10/02/2024 03:58

carerneedshelp · 10/02/2024 01:05

Funnily enough I think you will probably find it's been spent on making sick and injured people well. To put it simply!

You know what it is there for.

Failure to plan for an increasing and aging population is on this government and every government over the past 30 years or more.

🙄

Sure, but there has been a massive deterioration in the NHS in the last 14 years, more rapid in the last five I'd say. Let's not let the current incumbents off for their practised, ideological neglect, incompetence and corruption.

Sunnnybunny72 · 10/02/2024 07:34

Nitesaredrawinin · 09/02/2024 23:18

Allthecatseverywhereallatonce…..
So what do you suggest the Government do. Yes they could pay a decent wage and then what ? Will the millions on waiting lists suddenly been seen will stories like this poor woman or baby not happen again will ambulances get to us quicker now? What’s the answer?

Stop trying to prolong life at all costs.

Tilleuil · 10/02/2024 08:07

carerneedshelp · 10/02/2024 01:05

Funnily enough I think you will probably find it's been spent on making sick and injured people well. To put it simply!

You know what it is there for.

Failure to plan for an increasing and aging population is on this government and every government over the past 30 years or more.

🙄

Working for the NHS during the Blair years it improved considerably. Every A&E patient had to be processed within 2 hours and they were. If bloods were sent to us from A&E they were tested asap and if time was getting short A&E would be on the phone pushing us.

The Tories are responsible for NHS deaths. We need them out but God knows how Labour will do, they’re like a boat with no rudder going round in circles unable to stick to a plan.

Morph22010 · 10/02/2024 08:41

I know it’s not their responsibility but didn’t the other people around her notice? I’m lucky enough not to have had to go to a&e for myself since a was a child but I’ve had to take my mum and my son. One particular time with my mum we ended up waiting 12 hours from 7 at night till 7 in morning. There was a core of people who were also waiting the same time and although it wasn’t full on chat there was a little conversation with the people near us. If someone had been under a coat for 5 hours we’d have asked someone at desk for them to be checked on, and alerted the staff if they were shouting a name for someone

jupiterhigh · 10/02/2024 08:57

I don't know what the answers are, but I do wonder how medical professionals keep going. I don't believe for one second that they are coming into the role to not care for people but it feels like medical professionals have collective compassion fatigue, along with an erosion in society about how we care for people around us.
I think the strikes are them trying to tell us this and I support them.

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PrawnDumplings · 10/02/2024 09:03

MissRheingold · 09/02/2024 18:04

🙄🙄🙄 Ffs they are striking because of situations like these! They are under funded and understaffed. Stop voting Tory & you might see an improvement!

ArrestHer · 10/02/2024 09:05

Doctors / nurses / other medical staff deserve not only higher pay, but an efficient, functioning, system of medical care that enables them to do their jobs to the standards that the vast majority of them aim to achieve.

I am 100% certain that every member of staff in that unit at the time of this woman’s death will be feeling it. They’ll feel sadness, pain, and guilt. But they have been failed. By a government who has preferred self enrichment over care of its citizens, and which hasn’t the guts to make the hard decisions and costly changes that need to be made to make our NHS achieve what it is very capable of.

suafa · 10/02/2024 09:27

jupiterhigh · 10/02/2024 08:57

I don't know what the answers are, but I do wonder how medical professionals keep going. I don't believe for one second that they are coming into the role to not care for people but it feels like medical professionals have collective compassion fatigue, along with an erosion in society about how we care for people around us.
I think the strikes are them trying to tell us this and I support them.

We keep going because we care, because we want to do our jobs and because we loose sleep worrying about the things we haven't had time to do. . We keep going until we burn out.

AluckyEllie · 10/02/2024 09:39

Compassion fatigue is 100% it. Issues have been raised with management over and over but things don’t change. It’s so hard to make change in an nhs hospital, both the mindset and resources needed. When every shift is exhausting and no one acts on the problems you check out mentally and stop trying to improve things, you just firefight and try to keep things going as long as possible.

Then there is the problem of population. Many towns have boomed in population and the hospitals are not suitable to provide for those numbers. You are also having to provide more for that population and for a longer time. When I first worked in a dialysis unit your clientele was never over 75 ( and over 70 was rare.) The other day an 84 year old came in for dialysis, end stage renal failure (had been having for 8 years.) If you are going to offer these procedures to more and more people then you need more provisions- and money.

Allthecatseverywhereallatonce · 10/02/2024 10:15

So of course paying staff more money would help, that helps recruitment and retains staff immediately immediately improving working conditions. Not a penny more is ever offered to staff to work extra which means the most difficult shifts and areas never get covered.

We need the Tories out. I don't know exactly what labour would do but having worked under both and the difference was night and day.

We need proper discussion about possibly paying for some services, why free prescriptions as a blanket policy at 60? Not everyone needs this.
Charge for missed GP appointments and so on. It is very emotive to pay for aspects of the NHS but too many people have unrealistic expectations on it.
The demand I see for transport to get home as suddenly all the visitors are busy, my trust pays for taxis for people just to free up beds, if drugs are not ready that's another taxi.

We need proper discussion about what the NHS can fund vs what people will have to self fund.
My trust specialises in obesity surgery as they make lots of money from it. But, our elective treatment starting time is 54 weeks I can tell you the bariatric weight is not that long.
Luckily it is not my job to work this out, but surely we are putting emphasis on the wrong areas. The people waiting 54 weeks inevitably end up in and out of the hospital or, by the time they get in need a longer stay and therapy etc to get them home.

Also we need to review prolonging life at all costs, it is not simple, as it is not purely an age decision as some 90 year olds are very fit and have a great quality of life. We need to put the emphasis on 'a good death' we don't discuss death in this country and end up putting people through so much to get the same end result.