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Can't believe this is not being reported more widely

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jupiterhigh · 09/02/2024 17:41

westbridgfordwire.com/mum-of-two-collapsed-and-died-after-haemorrhage-waiting-at-qmc-ae/

39 year women waiting at A and E, she had been waiting for around 7 hours, became unconscious, they assumed she had left until finding her later, unconscious in her seat. She had a brain haemorrhage and died a couple of days later.

It's just so sad and scary.

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asidream · 10/02/2024 10:19

That poor woman but entirely unsurprising in a barely functioning system. This government's refusal to negotiate with doctors is fucking ridiculous. They are being forced to strike for patient safety and pay they can barely live on.

The Tories have run the NHS into the ground and COVID just speeded its demise for them. High waiting lists will mean they can push people into taking private insurance.

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 10/02/2024 10:25

The government is deliberately, quite deliberately, starving the nhs of resources. They know what they're doing.

LadyKenya · 10/02/2024 10:26

MCOut · 10/02/2024 00:22

Them striking may very well save lives in the long run. I know people who have left medicine or locum full time because of this. This is not a situation of their making. Blame the Tories.

💯

LuluBlakey1 · 10/02/2024 10:46

StarDolphins · 09/02/2024 23:59

Or….they could stop wasting millions and this would free up millions to pay Jnr Drs more?

They could and their working practices are certainly in need of reform. It would not solve the issues with Drs' pay and long-term recruitment and retention. They could also look at the horrible amount of senior management that they have been forced to put in place snd get rid of it.

Sunnnybunny72 · 10/02/2024 17:02

Allthecatseverywhereallatonce · 10/02/2024 10:15

So of course paying staff more money would help, that helps recruitment and retains staff immediately immediately improving working conditions. Not a penny more is ever offered to staff to work extra which means the most difficult shifts and areas never get covered.

We need the Tories out. I don't know exactly what labour would do but having worked under both and the difference was night and day.

We need proper discussion about possibly paying for some services, why free prescriptions as a blanket policy at 60? Not everyone needs this.
Charge for missed GP appointments and so on. It is very emotive to pay for aspects of the NHS but too many people have unrealistic expectations on it.
The demand I see for transport to get home as suddenly all the visitors are busy, my trust pays for taxis for people just to free up beds, if drugs are not ready that's another taxi.

We need proper discussion about what the NHS can fund vs what people will have to self fund.
My trust specialises in obesity surgery as they make lots of money from it. But, our elective treatment starting time is 54 weeks I can tell you the bariatric weight is not that long.
Luckily it is not my job to work this out, but surely we are putting emphasis on the wrong areas. The people waiting 54 weeks inevitably end up in and out of the hospital or, by the time they get in need a longer stay and therapy etc to get them home.

Also we need to review prolonging life at all costs, it is not simple, as it is not purely an age decision as some 90 year olds are very fit and have a great quality of life. We need to put the emphasis on 'a good death' we don't discuss death in this country and end up putting people through so much to get the same end result.

Would you charge everyone for missed GP appointments?
Children? Those on benefits? The elderly? (the most likely able to afford to pay). Most of my non attenders are over 65.
Or just the same poor sods in the middle.

Allthecatseverywhereallatonce · 10/02/2024 17:20

@Sunnnybunny72 like I said I wouldn't be the one making the decisions and what I said were just examples not even saying I agree with it. Something has to give. Maybe we all have to pay more tax 🤷we will be working to 71 anyway. Someone has to be squeezed and it tends to be us in the middle.
All I know if that harm is happening every day in the NHS and there is no public outrage because often it isn't revealed. This particular story is the tip of the iceberg.

theDudesmummy · 10/02/2024 17:25

Junior doctors are the "bastards"? Really?

CharlotteLightandDark · 20/02/2024 19:30

Sunnnybunny72 · 10/02/2024 17:02

Would you charge everyone for missed GP appointments?
Children? Those on benefits? The elderly? (the most likely able to afford to pay). Most of my non attenders are over 65.
Or just the same poor sods in the middle.

I would charge all adults and parents yeah.
means tested for people on benefits but something absolutely.

its so frustrating the amount of DNAs

CharlotteLightandDark · 20/02/2024 19:32

ive just left the nhs after 15 years in mental health.

I struggled with the decision for ages but now think i should have done it ages ago.
its not the same job anymore.

Quitelikeit · 20/02/2024 19:37

The NHS is on its knees and getting worse.

The whole model is an absolute failure and requires major change.

I do not think the issues are purely finance related at all! Except to say the NHS pays top whack for every single service it commissions.

Drs striking will not force a change in the way hospitals are run.

You can’t even be certain you’ll get an ambulance now if you have a life or death situation.

The whole thing is appalling.

iwafs · 20/02/2024 19:46

Accident and emergency

there should not be any wait at all

because it’s a bloody emergency or accident!

we’ve been indoctrinated into accepting waiting times.

these places need a shit load more staff and a shit load more hospitals are needed. But we will deny this and more people will die.

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 20/02/2024 21:13

There is money. Look at the Liz Truss fiasco. Those billions were found from somewhere. Same with wars. The Tories spend on their own political priorities, and tell you what we can afford based on those.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 20/02/2024 21:48

iwafs · 20/02/2024 19:46

Accident and emergency

there should not be any wait at all

because it’s a bloody emergency or accident!

we’ve been indoctrinated into accepting waiting times.

these places need a shit load more staff and a shit load more hospitals are needed. But we will deny this and more people will die.

There is nowhere in the world with no waiting time in A&E. It's just not possible. You would need dozens of doctors and nurses hanging around, doing nothing most of the time, so that - if an unexpected surge hits - they are free to deal with it.

The problem is actually completely the opposite of what you are suggesting. There is too much focus on A&E waits, and this skews spending decisions, so that not enough money is invested in services that can keep people out of A&E (social care/primary care/public health) or in services that free up ward beds, so that patients can be moved through A&E quickly, freeing up space (social care/care homes/community hospitals).

If you really want to save lives and reduce A&E waits, you need to invest in hospital wards, social care, care homes, primary care and public health, not in A&E itself. And I say that as an A&E doctor.

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