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MarshaArt · 25/08/2023 15:49

EarringsandLipstick · 24/08/2023 17:23

Well thanks, the point is I want to discuss the story? What's the point in your comment, there's loads to look at in the other sections on here

But you didn't. You just put the link & text there.

There's no opening point in your initial post.

And yes I admit I find the endless posts about every aspect of this tragic & horrendous crime, baffling. Especially when (as here) they are conflated with inaccurate information. So I will indeed move on from the thread!

That seems best.

HawnyThorn · 26/08/2023 09:26

I think there should be a full investigation into how the allegations were handled and then I'll make a judgement.

The witch-hunt around the senior staff members at the moment is inappropriate in my opinion.

millymae · 26/08/2023 11:18

Has anyone seen any mention of Trust Board involvement in the handling of this case? It seems inconceivable to me that the number of unexpected deaths that were occurring within the neonatal unit would not have been reported to the Board at an early stage and outside agencies called in to investigate.

it seems beyond odd too that the chief Executive appeared to meet with LL and her father without others being present. Where was the Trust’s Director of Human Resources and/or Legal Representative in all of this.

Everything I read seems to indicate that LL was given the benefit of the doubt at every turn, which is surprising when other staff are warned/disciplined /sacked for comparatively minor issues. There surely has to be more to this than meets the eye and all the more so when you consider that the doctors in the unit were threatened with being reported to the GMC if they didn’t apologise and withdraw their complaints.

Management of the NHS is becoming more like football every day in the sense that managers appear to be rewarded handsomely for failure and then are allowed to simply move on to the next job. I’d like to think

HawnyThorn · 26/08/2023 12:15

millymae · 26/08/2023 11:18

Has anyone seen any mention of Trust Board involvement in the handling of this case? It seems inconceivable to me that the number of unexpected deaths that were occurring within the neonatal unit would not have been reported to the Board at an early stage and outside agencies called in to investigate.

it seems beyond odd too that the chief Executive appeared to meet with LL and her father without others being present. Where was the Trust’s Director of Human Resources and/or Legal Representative in all of this.

Everything I read seems to indicate that LL was given the benefit of the doubt at every turn, which is surprising when other staff are warned/disciplined /sacked for comparatively minor issues. There surely has to be more to this than meets the eye and all the more so when you consider that the doctors in the unit were threatened with being reported to the GMC if they didn’t apologise and withdraw their complaints.

Management of the NHS is becoming more like football every day in the sense that managers appear to be rewarded handsomely for failure and then are allowed to simply move on to the next job. I’d like to think

Edited

Outside agencies did investigate. There was a " Service Review Countess of Chester Hospital NHS Foundation Trust by the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health Invited Reviews programme".

"Service review by the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health following an unusually high rate of baby deaths and collapses at the Countess of Chester hospital between June 2015 and June 2016. It finds no definitive explanation for an increase in mortality rates, but identified significant gaps in medical and nursing rotas, poor decision-making and insufficient senior cover"

Barbadossunset · 26/08/2023 12:43

I don't think this is an NHS thing, it is a huge problem in all sorts of sectors.

Yes. Obviously this doesn’t compare to murdering babies but the recent scandal at the British Museum is nonetheless typical of the systematic ignoring of concerns. An employee stole and sold thousands of artefacts and a senior curator suspected these thefts and collected plenty of evidence which he presented to directors. However his concerns were dismissed and he was treated, according to him, as the ‘village idiot’.
Alison Rose, the National West boss gave confidential information about a customer to a BBC journalist and is leaving with a pay-off of millions. Any ordinary employee who broken confidentiality rules would have been instantly sacked.
It’s absolutely shocking.

ExpressCheckout · 08/03/2024 07:45

As an update to this thread, the Thirlwell Inquiry has now published it's list of core participants to the public investigation into what happened at Chester:

https://thirlwall.public-inquiry.uk/documents/

Documents and evidence | The Thirlwall Inquiry

https://thirlwall.public-inquiry.uk/documents

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