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VegetablesFightingToReclaimTheAubergieneEmoji · 26/05/2023 16:12

briansgardenshed · 26/05/2023 15:54

MN is also full of people who complain about teachers "interfering" or neighbours "judging" and "useless" GPs who don't give you what you want or "accuse" you. If someone comments that maybe there might be a better way to treat your kids they get told "My kids, my rules". Women and men who have kids in terrible circumstances, poor housing, no relationship to speak of, no work, on drugs - and we "offer support" - which usually means more money for drugs. We know this but won't change it.
Everyone thinks they should be allowed to do what the fuck they like - until there's a death like this and then everyone "sobs".

No-one does anything about it - and won't. Heartbreaking.

My ds fell over and hit his head badly. Got a black eye. It looked terrible.
I took the view when the school repeatedly questioned me, repeatedly questioned him that it was a good thing. I knew it was an accident. For some. It’s not.

however, we have to have trust in the system for people to feel confident in that.

briansgardenshed · 26/05/2023 16:29

Me too. Several times.

TensOfMice · 26/05/2023 16:35

A child accidentally ran into my 5 year old dd, which left her with a horrendous black eye. My other child, a couple of years older, fell on top of a tennis racket and ended up with a black eye. These incidents were a few months apart. School didn't ask them about it, and Rainbows / brownies didn't ask them what happened either. I thought they should have asked them.

When my eldest broke his arm severely, there were lots of questions on the hospital form that were thoroughly checking for DV.

We all need to do our bit.

I am heartbroken about this little boy. The parents are evil, no matter what their situation is, to be hurting an innocent baby this way, you have to be evil. I am please they got long sentences as they do not deserve to walk among us.

Creative33 · 26/05/2023 17:48

I read one parent would hold his mouth to keep him quiet whilst the other tortured him and couldn’t read any further.

let’s just hope there are a few people in prison who can give them the real justice they deserve.

why do we as tax payers have to fund these despicable people. They should be sentenced to death

RedRosette2023 · 26/05/2023 18:05

@Creative33 i wish I hadn’t read that. The details of this case have made me so so upset. I just keep thinking of my own DC and thinking how the fuck could you inflict that sort of brutality. There’s no justice that could possibly make them pay but I hope someone gets hold of them in prison and re-enacts it all.

Pearfacebananapoopanickle · 26/05/2023 18:33

I am just sick of seeing these cases. When will our government / councils / safeguarding / social services step up and do something? How does this keep happening?

Justputitdown · 26/05/2023 18:41

RedRosette2023 · 26/05/2023 18:05

@Creative33 i wish I hadn’t read that. The details of this case have made me so so upset. I just keep thinking of my own DC and thinking how the fuck could you inflict that sort of brutality. There’s no justice that could possibly make them pay but I hope someone gets hold of them in prison and re-enacts it all.

Yes that detail is unbearable. Absolutely haunting.

longtompot · 26/05/2023 18:43

Just so heartbreaking and yet another small, defenceless child killed by those who were meant to love him. Why the fuck didn't they give him back, say it was too much for them? It has made me so sad reading about what they did, I wish I hadn't. RIP Finley👼

Pearfacebananapoopanickle · 26/05/2023 18:46

I'd also like to see that "Guardian" taken to task. One WhatsApp call and she says he can return. WTf?

tillytoodles1 · 26/05/2023 18:50

I have a friend who fosters babies and toddlers with drug using parents. She gets so upset when they go back to them and wonders if one day she'll be reading stuff like this about one of her foster kids.

MintJulia · 26/05/2023 18:51

The thing I don't understand is if they didn't give a toot, why did they want him back?

Was it so they got a house and child benefit, or was because they enjoyed what they did to him.

It's completely beyond me. 🙁

RedRosette2023 · 26/05/2023 18:51

tillytoodles1 · 26/05/2023 18:50

I have a friend who fosters babies and toddlers with drug using parents. She gets so upset when they go back to them and wonders if one day she'll be reading stuff like this about one of her foster kids.

I know a foster parent too, they have only had one case where a child has been successfully reunited. This child was removed at birth. Finley’s parents would have been relative strangers to him.

JustanothermagicMonday1 · 26/05/2023 20:18

I am sorry to say but in this case I completely blame the authorities. That beautiful poor baby should have never been returned to those birth parents. I do wonder if this would have ever happened if it were not for Covid, it is easier to trick people if not face to face.
The whole thing must be dreadful for the foster parents who looked after the baby before he returned. It must also be absolutely dreadful for the social workers who allowed the return.
Looking after children is difficult. I never thought I would think this but I think people with severe addiction and severe mental health issues just shouldn’t be allowed to have babies unsupervised in their care, it is just too risky for those babies.

Iwasafool · 26/05/2023 20:29

Is this the case where the mother got 10 years? If it is I just can't find the words, ten bloody years. She should never get out.

piedbeauty · 26/05/2023 20:54

Iwasafool · 26/05/2023 20:29

Is this the case where the mother got 10 years? If it is I just can't find the words, ten bloody years. She should never get out.

No, she got a minimum of 27 years, he got 29. It's not hard to Google.

MadCatLady27 · 26/05/2023 21:27

Poor poor innocent baby

I hope they get what's coming to them in prison

I wasn't as aware of safeguarding until I worked in a school based role - as a poster said up thread, safeguarding is everyone's responsibility, also "it could happen here"

Perhaps there should be an ad campaign by the NSPCC one, in the vein of the stop and think drive ones which really catch your attention because they're shocking

Could they do an ad with the messages above, and perhaps some of the early warning signs

MyBrownEyedHandsomeBoy · 26/05/2023 21:41

Wow omg I am lost for words all I keep saying is that poor baby, kind of wish I didn't open that it's really upsetting . I can't believe what that little baby went through, can't imagine the horrendous pain inflicted 😢😢😢 wtf how just how can you do this to a little baby?! How does your brain let you do this and do this over again?
Cases like this should have the death penalty

A painful death penalty

😞 poor baby boy, rip

Normative · 26/05/2023 22:00

Absolutely sickening.
This was deliberate and prolonged. There can be no excuse or forgiveness for what they’ve done.
So sad that it was also completely avoidable.
Heartbroken for that poor little boy

ssd · 26/05/2023 22:50

I've just read about this in the guardian. It says one of them held their hand over his mouth whilst the other broke his bones. I feel sick . This is one of the worst things I've read. My heart aches for him. I hope he is at peace now.

caramac04 · 26/05/2023 22:56

AlltheFs · 26/05/2023 15:22

And yet in the same vein, mumsnet is full of posts incredulous that some would call social services if they hear children crying regularly or people shouting at children and think people should mind their own business.

That baby cried. No-one helped.
Safeguarding is everyone’s responsibility.

I read that the poor baby didn’t cry because whilst one parent hurt him, the other clamped his mouth.
The parents are sick, callous monsters and no punishment fits their crimes.
I agree that children’s safeguarding is everyone’s business.

ChildcarePanic · 26/05/2023 23:33

TensOfMice · 26/05/2023 16:35

A child accidentally ran into my 5 year old dd, which left her with a horrendous black eye. My other child, a couple of years older, fell on top of a tennis racket and ended up with a black eye. These incidents were a few months apart. School didn't ask them about it, and Rainbows / brownies didn't ask them what happened either. I thought they should have asked them.

When my eldest broke his arm severely, there were lots of questions on the hospital form that were thoroughly checking for DV.

We all need to do our bit.

I am heartbroken about this little boy. The parents are evil, no matter what their situation is, to be hurting an innocent baby this way, you have to be evil. I am please they got long sentences as they do not deserve to walk among us.

Yes I remember when my son had an incident where he stopped breathing and turned blue when he was a few months old and I was asked lots of questions by the doctors that were clearly safeguarding questions. I welcomed it.

RedRosette2023 · 27/05/2023 06:06

I’ve just read a report from the neighbours saying how awful it was and how violent the couple were. Too little too late.

OhDoh · 27/05/2023 06:14

He was a beautiful baby. RIP. I hope there is a special place in the deepest part of hell for these too. Good luck to them in prison as they are going to need it.

I feel bad if I cut my DS nail too short let alone anything else.
I can not comprehend how anyone can do this to an innocent, defenceless child who didn't stand a chance.

alargeoneforme · 27/05/2023 06:22

Iwasafool · 26/05/2023 20:29

Is this the case where the mother got 10 years? If it is I just can't find the words, ten bloody years. She should never get out.

That's Jacob Lennon. Another complete horror story which I hadn't seen much of in the news until yesterday. I won't detail the barbaric things they did to him but the level of sadism involved to a small child is utterly beyond my comprehension. Poor, poor baby.

Iwasafool · 27/05/2023 09:54

alargeoneforme · 27/05/2023 06:22

That's Jacob Lennon. Another complete horror story which I hadn't seen much of in the news until yesterday. I won't detail the barbaric things they did to him but the level of sadism involved to a small child is utterly beyond my comprehension. Poor, poor baby.

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Thank you, I had caught the tail end of a report on that yesterday so didn't catch the name. Awful to have two such horrific cases reported in one day, hard to comprehend how that could happen once but the two cases does bring home that this isn't as rare as we'd like to imagine.