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James Bulger's mother demands right to find freed killers

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suzywong · 28/11/2004 08:01

as reported in the \link{http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/story_pages/news/news1.shtml\news of the world.

Should she have the right?

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hercyulelog · 01/12/2004 16:53

We're not hunting them down because we dont believe in mob mentality against anyone. Nor do i believe anyone is evil.

hercyulelog · 01/12/2004 16:54

No Bovary.

tammylove · 01/12/2004 16:54

I dont recall saying i was hunting anyone down, but i do think that people who dont agree with certain ways are badgered into submission.

hercyulelog · 01/12/2004 16:56

Can you answer my previous question please on how society would be if we all lived by our emotions?

spacedonkey · 01/12/2004 16:57

Erm, sorry tammy, who are these people who are being badgered?

mikeyjon · 01/12/2004 16:57

awen

tammylove · 01/12/2004 16:57

I dont live by my emotions, i just think that T & V dont deserve the lets blame everyone but them act.

bovary · 01/12/2004 16:57

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tammylove · 01/12/2004 16:58

Space i dont recall you answering my first question.

spacedonkey · 01/12/2004 16:58

Quote from another Guardian article:

The lord chief justice, Lord Woolf, must have known that there would be outrage if he cut the 15-year sentence which the Conservative home secretary Michael Howard ordered for the two young men who murdered James Bulger. In the event, he has cut it by even more than some of his liberal colleagues expected, reinstating the eight-year tariff set by the trial judge.

His decision is courageous and right. Mr Howard insisted the release of the two young killers should not be based purely on the risk that they posed, but also on "public acceptability". Stacked in his office then were boxes of vouchers from Sun readers, insisting that the two killers be detained for life. But the reason for having a criminal justice system is to lift sentencing above mob rule. The Howard approach came dangerously close to the traditions of lynch law.

The reason why Lord Woolf was required to set a new tariff yesterday was a ruling in the European court of human rights last year, declaring the sentencing powers of British home secretaries "unlawful" under the European convention. Yesterday's judgment is bound to reopen the attack on the court. But it is not only foreign judges who see it as crucial to take sentencing out of the hands of the politicians: most British policy-making bodies do so too. Two all-party parliamentary committees have backed it, the House of Lords has made unsuccessful attempts to add this change to various criminal justice bills and the British judiciary is united on the principle.

Punishment, Lord Woolf argued in an interview earlier this week, should be a mixture of retribution, deterrence, reparation and rehabilitation. But that last ingredient, he signalled, was perhaps the most important of all: "... above all, you want to try to achieve a sentence which will make the likelihood of that person leading a lawful life in the future greater, not less". These are not normal offenders. They were extremely damaged young people, who under the psychological and social care staff of the secure units have made enormous progress, including acceptance of the enormity of their crime.

The anger of the Bulger family is wholly understandable. When families suffer such a terrible trauma, pumping up retributive instincts helps keep them going. Yet medical studies show that in the long term that reaction is not enough. Hard though it comes, some form of forgiveness is needed for scars to heal.

hercyulelog · 01/12/2004 16:59

Who's said that? i do think its unwise to lay ther blame in any one place dangerous not to look elsewhere to learn why they were the way they were.

spacedonkey · 01/12/2004 16:59

Which question was that, Tammy?

tammylove · 01/12/2004 17:00

The comma before Tammy

Awenamanger · 01/12/2004 17:00

omg spacedonkey - just read article. The worrying thing is that society judged these people to be able to help and adopt children from difficult circumstances so they should have been able to deal with challenging behaviour one would think.

Tammy if you think you are being badgered please understand that is not my intention, educate maybe, but not badger.

Awenamanger · 01/12/2004 17:00

omg spacedonkey - just read article. The worrying thing is that society judged these people to be able to help and adopt children from difficult circumstances so they should have been able to deal with challenging behaviour one would think.

Tammy if you think you are being badgered please understand that is not my intention, educate maybe, but not badger.

Awenamanger · 01/12/2004 17:01

Tammy, it is called grammer. She hadnt put a comma before yuor name so it looked like the children killed you.

tammylove · 01/12/2004 17:01

No Awen not you.

tammylove · 01/12/2004 17:02

Oh sorry space

SantaandtheReindeer · 01/12/2004 17:02

Tammy, Awen was explaining Space's remark.

hercyulelog · 01/12/2004 17:02

Good post sd but i doubt itwill be considered as a plausible view. It is only the court of eurepean rights.

SantaandtheReindeer · 01/12/2004 17:02

Sorry - posts crossed

Uwila · 01/12/2004 17:02

Nobody here is living by there emotions. Tammy (my new friend "twat") is feeling by her emotions. We all do that, whether we like to admit it or not. What is in our control is haw we act/react to the things we feel.

spacedonkey · 01/12/2004 17:02

Awen has just explained it for me. Bad punctuation on my part.

It seems to me that Tammy thinks that by disagreeing with her, people are attempting to badger her into submission. I thought you believed that we should all be able to put forth our opinions?

bovary · 01/12/2004 17:04

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spacedonkey · 01/12/2004 17:04

I think Lord Woolf is better placed to offer an informed opinion than any of us here.

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