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James Bulger's mother demands right to find freed killers

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suzywong · 28/11/2004 08:01

as reported in the \link{http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/story_pages/news/news1.shtml\news of the world.

Should she have the right?

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80sMum · 30/11/2004 23:38

Hi twatshank/tammylove. That was quite an entrance!

I mentioned this earlier in the thread but thought it worth repeating. I strongly recommned Blake Morisson's thought provoking book As If to anyone who is interested in exploring the "whys" of this case. Morrison attended the entire trial and had access to the police tapes of interviews with the boys (some of which are transcribed in the book). It's a well-written and thoughtful look at the whole sad tragedy.

JoolsToo · 30/11/2004 23:39

well you certainly stirred things up tonight - I applaud your frankness!

tammylove · 30/11/2004 23:39

I have heard of this book actually, i looked on amazon, but there wasnt a review available so i wasnt sure what it entaled.

tammylove · 30/11/2004 23:40

Thank you 80'smum and jools, maybe i will fit in a bit better now im behaving myself.

hercules · 30/11/2004 23:43

Much nicer name.

tammylove · 30/11/2004 23:44

I know, i must have come across as some evil bitch, lol
Sorry for offending anyway.

soapbox · 30/11/2004 23:46

Ha! Knew we were right to believe in rehabilitation - change of name and soon accepted into every day society

hercules · 30/11/2004 23:46

That's what makes this site interesting. It would be boring if we all agreed.

hercules · 30/11/2004 23:47

lol soapbox. Very clever!

tammylove · 30/11/2004 23:48

Lets not go mad, lol. I changed my name but im not so interchangable on my views, i will just try to put them across better.

hercules · 30/11/2004 23:50

What are your views on breast/bottle feeding, gina ford, cc?

tammylove · 30/11/2004 23:52

Oh dear, i tend not to go down that road as i have seen the rows it causes. but if you seriously want to know. i think whats best for a happy mom and baby is good enough and we shouldnt judge peoples decisions.

hercules · 30/11/2004 23:53

So diplomatic.

tammylove · 30/11/2004 23:56

No its how i feel. i didnt breastfeed either of my children. i didnt want to, i didnt even try to be honest. People argue breast is best but for me and my babies the bottle was, we were happy and they were content. We should spend more time supporting each other on our choices than fighting. If the babies are thriving then we are doing something right.

Hulababy · 01/12/2004 08:45

hunkermunky - I will try and find the opportunity to ask them tomorrow.

Uwila · 01/12/2004 10:29

Aw, I liked the name Twatshank. Thoughit was funny. And I have to admire someone who is confident enough to be know as Twat anything.

Also Twat, I think you got ganged up here. I think your views were radically different and everyone pounced on you. But your comments didn't strike me as any more agressive than those that came back.

AND, I think you are not alone in this country on your views. Maybe here on Mumsnet you will find your views in the minority, but I personally didn't think they were all that harsh.

Bigfatmomma · 01/12/2004 11:43

Have been reading last night's exchange with a mixture of interest, despair and amusement! Great site, this!!

Twat/Tammy - can't help but think of you as Twat now - sorry! Disagree utterly with your views on James' killers but agree with your comment about happy mum/happy baby.

Interesting question about what constitutes an effective deterrent. Wish I knew the answer!

Gobbledigoose · 01/12/2004 11:52

Uwila - I think you are right. On most of these contentious threads there will be a few people that all have the same view and voice it loudly. Since that view is often the politically correct one only a couple of people have the conviction to disagree and it turns into a row. The 'PC' side feel they are in the majority because they happen to be on that thread, but I think usually it's just because people with the opposing view can't be arsed to argue or don't want to get into a heated debate in case people end up not liking them.

I've really found on Mumsnet there appears to be a dominant view about most things but I think it's just because everyone who agrees posts on those threads and only a few disagree.

For example - I was quite shocked at the view on MMR and I'd say Mumsnet comes across as being very 'anti-MMR' - I was surprised at this because I know absolutely loads and loads of Mums in RL but not one has gone for single vaccines - all have gone for MMR. Plus, since uptake in many areas is 80% or higher, 'anti-MMR' is not the dominant view in society as a whole, it's just that if you disagree with it, it's not worth arguing about it on here.

tammylove · 01/12/2004 11:56

Thank you Uwila. I do have my own mind and im not afraid to speak it, but i think thats why i got highrate last night. I felt i was been no ruder than some others and i was trying to explain that.
But as i said i DO know my own mind, i will try and tone it down a bit for the future though. xx

nasa · 01/12/2004 11:57

totally disagree with you gobble. I've been posting on mumsnet for about 3 years and I've seen really heated debates/arguments whatever where there has been equal 'for/against' parties.

tammylove · 01/12/2004 12:00

Hi Gobble, i think your right, but i think that there is no point in agreeing to 'fit'in. If your views are different then there is nothing wrong with that. They are just opinions and if i dont like something thats said to me i take with a pinch of salt. But then my problem is i think everyone is like that and thats not the case.

I dont hold grudges and i dont gun after those who disagree because chances are we will agree on another subject.

nasa · 01/12/2004 12:04

mumsnet has always been and will always be a place where people have different opinions and voice them - see the threads on the Iraq war/ circumcision/eating grapes in supermarkets. sometimes there are a majority who agree and often there isn't. I just think that's a totally incorrect view of MN

singingmum · 01/12/2004 12:06

Just a point and I now it's not a popular one but why has no one ever mentioned in this case that she did not notice her child being taken.
I have a 4 yr old and a 10 yr old and I always know where they are if in a shop or out somewhere.
Does anyone think that maybe she is so angry at what was at the time 2 children because of her own oversight?

tammylove · 01/12/2004 12:07

Hi nasa, i did get a bit of agro last night, especially when someone called me a saddo, i read those books as i am keen on crime and do alot of writing, so to be called that when they dont even know me was out of order.
Then i was accused of been someone else because i was so full on.
I just thought ok then if you cant beat em
I have no doubt my views in the future will have similar reactions. but i would rather have my own views than follow the sheep.

spacedonkey · 01/12/2004 12:07

singingmum, I'm sure it goes without saying that that thought haunts her every day of her life

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