Channel crossings - what is the solution?

[Snog]

Clearly asylum seekers crossing the channel in inflatable boats is a very bad thing. What is the solution though?

We could stop doing business with the countries that are so corrupt that people feel forced to cross continents and get into rubber dinghies.

They claim asylum in the first safe country they reach. On the news they keep talking about them fleeing violence and persecution which I fully understand but surely they are not being persecuted in France so they have already achieved that.

I honestly don’t know why it’s worth risking your life and your childrens lives to reach the uk. Even if you speak some English or have friends and family here, is it worth your life? And if you have £2k why not use that to get started in Europe.

www.unhcr.org/uk/uk-immigration-and-asylum-plans-some-questions-answered-by-unhcr.html

This makes interesting reading on the UK’s plans.

@Hellocatshome

They claim asylum in the first safe country they reach. On the news they keep talking about them fleeing violence and persecution which I fully understand but surely they are not being persecuted in France so they have already achieved that.

Exactly. They are economic migrants.

It is impossible for anyone arriving in the U.K. from Europe to be an asylum seeker. Europe is safe.

@Snog

Cancel brexit

In the immediate term its got to be joint patrols, foot and maritime, with the French.
Apparently Boris has already blown that with the French by writing an "open" letter.

Having pissed off Europe with Brexit, we're now managing to piss off our nearest neighbour. Just brilliant

Are the French incentivised to stop the crossings though or is this something that mainly the UK wants?

People can claim asylum in whichever country they like. So they need to provide safe routes. And then when these people arrive, their claims are processed quickly and they are dealt with accordingly.

There are no safe routes to the UK and the asylum seeking system is so ridiculous that it takes years to get a claim through.

So the government stupidly shuts down all routes.

They’ve pulled a neat trick again, blaming gangs, making asylum seekers out to be leeches (the irony given that Priti Patel’s parents left Uganda to come here).

I can’t work out if it’s racism, snobbery or what.

Exactly. They are economic migrants

What exactly does that even mean?

And you’re wrong by the way.

Human beings who’ve committed no crime should have the right to choose where they want to live

Secretly send in SAS to bump off arrest the traffickers - I hope some countries are already doing this

Asylum seekers have no other way to get here other than by boat.

So, make it safe to get here. If they don’t have a genuine claim then turn that claim down.

Put more money into processing asylum seeking claims so it can be dealt with quickly.

None of these have happened so we end up with dead people.

It's nothing to do with brexit. This has been an issue for years and years.

@RedDeadRoach

It's nothing to do with brexit. This has been an issue for years and years.

Brexit has made things worse actually. Plus it’s got worse since Priti Patel and her quasi hard as nails bullshit.

@KonTikki

In the immediate term its got to be joint patrols, foot and maritime, with the French. Apparently Boris has already blown that with the French by writing an "open" letter.

Having pissed off Europe with Brexit, we're now managing to piss off our nearest neighbour. Just brilliant

Macron has always had the hump with the U.K., even before Brexit.
Brexit has just made him hate us more. He's piqued because we didn't want to be in his club any more.
I think we should be asking the EU to help deal with the situation, not France.
Macron isn't going to do anything about it unless he's told to.

Should we allow people to claim asylum in the UK without leaving France?

Human beings who’ve committed no crime should have the right to choose where they want to live
So we allow millions to move here for a better life from China, Africa, S America, Philippines, Pakistan, India. So our lives become third world too, Then when life here is hand to mouth /corrupt/ miserable they will stop coming and then everyone who moved here, and all the original residents will be selling our bodies, bribing etc to get moved from U.K. to a better life elsewhere.

Great idea!

Dover is a seaport and we have a fleet of underused luxury liners.
Moor a liner in Dover and fill it with migrants as they arrive. When it is full, sail it round to the Med, moor it at a French port and offload the passengers for the French to deal with as they should have done in the first place.

Human beings who’ve committed no crime should have the right to choose where they want to live

In a student grade Utopia, yes.

@Yusanaim

Human beings who’ve committed no crime should have the right to choose where they want to live So we allow millions to move here for a better life from China, Africa, S America, Philippines, Pakistan, India. So our lives become third world too, Then when life here is hand to mouth /corrupt/ miserable they will stop coming and then everyone who moved here, and all the original residents will be selling our bodies, bribing etc to get moved from U.K. to a better life elsewhere.

Great idea!

Why on earth do you think it would be millions?

And did you miss the bit I said about putting in a proper process for asylum seekers to make a claim and have that claim turned around quickly?

Not everyone who comes here to seek asylum will be granted asylum. But they should have the right to actually make a claim.

Anyway, why would they want to come here? It’s a fucking nasty racist place with small minded individuals who seem to think that those with £40 in their pocket are more of a threat than those with £40m in their pocket.

@ChardonnaysPetDragon

Human beings who’ve committed no crime should have the right to choose where they want to live

In a student grade Utopia, yes.

What is happening now is not working 🤷🏻‍♀️

What is happening now is not working 🤷🏻‍♀️

And why do you think is that?

Here's my wildly uninformed question, but the answer isn't obvious to me.

What service to the criminal gangs actually provide? At 2 grand per person, a group of say, ten people could buy a vessel capable of a sea crossing. I'm probably missing an obvious fault to this logic because the gangs still reign.

@Hellocatshome

They claim asylum in the first safe country they reach. On the news they keep talking about them fleeing violence and persecution which I fully understand but surely they are not being persecuted in France so they have already achieved that.

Of course that approach suits us, an island nation located to the north of the countries people are fleeing from, with lots of lovely ‘buffer’ countries in the way. But how is that fair to France, Italy, Greece, Germany etc? We end up with none, and they have to take them all because of geography? The answer is we all take a share of those in need and open up safe routes for our proportion

@ChardonnaysPetDragon

What is happening now is not working 🤷🏻‍♀️

And why do you think is that?

Why?

Because there have been significant cuts to the home office which means that it takes too long to quickly process asylum seekers. It’s not because there are loads, it’s because there aren’t enough staff to handle it.

We take the lowest numbers in Europe.

We don’t have safe routes to passage to the UK. How are genuine asylum seekers supposed to get here? Unless you think of them as sub-human, how can it be difficult to understand why people will go to where they have connections? Can you imagine how horrendous it must be to get to somewhere safe - and it’s not for you to define what someone may class as safe.

Plus we are run by small minded racists. And yes, brown people can be racist too!