carrie on the BBC news site - agian baout balrdy veruty

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liek this bit

"When Gina Ford is the liberal voice in a debate you do begin to wonder what's going on," says childcare historian, Hugh Cunningham. "

LOL, fab quote!

Haven't posted on any of these threads but who are these crazy people that want/expect their life to carry on exactly the same after they have kids? just adopt a nice 18yr old FFS!

here is the link

snorted outloud at that

"Childcare historian" though???

'But generations of children were raised using the techniques she champions and they turned out ok, so what's the fuss?'

Is the quote in the first paragragh, and I would like to see the research that backs up that statement.

It seems to be a pre-requisite to being a "baby guru" that you must have obviously bleached hair.

Is there any research to back this up??

actually Belgo - I do kind of agree with that statement.........HOWEVER - that doesn't mean it's anything like the way we now KNOW is the best way to look after a baby.

Cushion - adopt an 18yr for life to stay normal - you are joking - I'm 11yrs away from having an 18yr old - but I still remember being that age and I think I was harder work for my parents than when I was a baby

'But generations of children were raised using the techniques she champions.....
bollocks were they, I would be astonished if you could find a mother who would admit to having cuddled her baby for ten minutes a day unless she had very very serious problems of her own.

ah did you get side-tracxked from the hunt for discussion of dermot's dye job

Belgo - I too would like to see the evidence supporting the idea that generations of children were brought up à la Truby King and flourished.

Here in Paris there is still a lot of very cold, distant, authoritarian and routine-driven parenting going on (and it was extremely prevalent in my partner's generation) and there are a lot of shrinks in the business of unravelling its consequences .

cant get the link seems the page has disappeared

the link is still working for me Lissie. It's just on the magasine page of the BBC news website.

got it now.

I was raised in the Truby King mehod. I am a complete wreak and see a psychiatrist and the mental health team. I don't ever remember my mother cuddling me. I was never told that I was loved. I could never talk to my parents.

Thankfully since they have retired and become GP's they have changed completely and their GC's are the most loved and cuddled children on earth and the children adore them and love going to Nanny's.

really MrsGokWan? That's very sad.

here's a long post but nothing new in it...

even if every parent ever asked about their practices from 1920 to 1950 insisted they were using Truby King exactly as written, you/I only have to look at our own posts on Mumsnet to know that what we state that we 'always' do may be something that we did once, but that we wished we always did, or thought other people thought we ought to do, or wanted other people to think that we do, etc etc

my grandmother was violently anti Truby King, having babies between 1929 and 1936. however, she did a lot of the babies outside in the fresh air thing, for sure - i think that really is a difference, it really was a lot more common in that period than now. Anyone fancy researching whether its decline has a connection with rising asthma rates?

exactly so choosyfloosy.

I don't know about asthma, but an unfortunately misguided aunt of mine put all her babies outside in the pram for their sleep whatever the weather. One of them died .

my god anna that's horrendous.

Yes, it was horrible. It happened at Christmas time - my aunt had put her baby (her fourth) (about six months old) out for his nap in his pram, even though he had a little cold.

My uncle rang us up on Christmas Eve to tell us - we lived abroad and my grandmother (also the baby's grandmother) was staying with us.

Needless to say, as a family we are not overly enthusiastic about too much fresh air for babies .

I'm prepared to be shot down in flames for this, but I believe there are an awful lot of good kind parents who do not access the internet, do not read the 'current' guru style books and merely go from one stage to the next and successfully raise their children in a loving and caring manner.

Commonsense and instinct are never buzz words with todays child raising experts.

I wonder if Einstein's parents stimulated him from day one? or was his genius merely allowed to develop naturally?

In history there are many examples of gifted people before the advent of 'the experts'

Is it just that everything in life these days is so competive?

Surely a happy child will be successful to the extent of their ability, some soone, some later!

Not everyone gives birth to a potential genius.

Anna, that is so so sad.

Choosyfloosy - it's true that parents don't always remember things correctly.

My mother is insistent that she always 'let her babies cry' as she believes that that's the right thing to do. When my baby cries however, she is more then likely to be the first one to go to pick her up... I can't imagine that she ever left us to cry for any significant length of time.

good point about Einstein.

Suspect Gina Ford is very glad that someone else is getting it in the neck and not her for once!