People are spending far more time sabotaging McCann threads than the McCann enthusiasts are spending on tittle tattle. Pot and kettle.

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These are developments. They're leading news bulletins the world over because so many people are following the story.

You don't have to, but don't spent so much time and energy ruining it for those who do please. Just look at other threads instead.

I used to be a nork clasper when the threads were devoid of real developments, but today I've had to move because I find the nork clasping camp (keepbumping and friends) is the loonier of the two now.

bobbysmum, of course i havent seen the evidence HAVE you?

Welshdeb, you are right this little girl is the priority. But ARE the McCanns getting a fair deal? Because if they are not, this little girl will be the one to suffer, while the police waste time chasing non existent leads.

WelhDeb - well said

To be fair, i think it is only right that the avenue of parental involvement has to be investigated. But no-one seriously can think this is true, surely? It has to be ruled out, which is why i imagine the McCanns are fully co-operating.

I am just scared that a terrible miscarriage of justice may take place here. The government step in when britons get caught drug trafficking in Thialand etc, rightly so if they are innocent. This is now time for the government to intervene and ensure that this case is investigated thoroughly and fairly.

I dont believe they have anything to do with it either, but none of us know for sure.

Lucyellensmum, have you not just signed up for the pact of silence, are you not breaking your vow?

Ok, ive just seen your withdrawl notice on that thread.

To get back to the point of the thread.

I disagree with the inane postings regarding cleaning products etc that invade news discussion threads. Particularly when they are posted by mnrs who have posted on the topic earlier in the thread and then clearly tired of it so instead of directing their energies elsewhere, decide to stay purely to disrupt the thread.

It's beyond puerile and completely pointless and if anything you lose respect for those posters because they are effectively trying to dominate the rest of us.

When the talk of bodies in suitcases started up I thought it was getting a bit distasteful - so I left the thread. Easy really.

Thankyou binkle, that is what ive been trying to say all day.

haychee - of course we dont, but my concerns are genuine nevertheless.

Yes, i just can't keep my mouth shut, but i think that is a personality flaw rather than anything else.

I think you are a bit like that too

Oh god yes!

lem - but you are saying that the British government should be brought in to intervene on behalf of the McCanns because the Portugese police must be framing them!

It's absurd.

If evidence against them exists, it exists whether you like it (and want to accept it) or not.

If it doesn't, they will be cleared.

To take the stance that evidence against them must have been planted and therefore be ignored just because it must, is stupid.

The pursuit of justice here is about the child and not the parents.

i am concerned regarding the pace and the timings of the investigation, i think the government need to intervene here exactly to protect the interests of madeliene, regardless of what happened. It is not about blindly, or stupidly protecting the parents. It concerns me that the secrecy ruling of the portugese police may stretch to the English police who i feel should be playing a substantial role here. I do not think for one minute that the parents are responsible, however if they are, only a properly carried out investigation will show this.

It was after all the Mc Canns who asked for the sniffer dogs, or has everyone forgotten this?

It was also the McCanns who wanted to release the details of madeleines clothes that she was wearing that night.

I think one of the failings of the police investigation was not to thoroughly scrutinise the movements and assertions of the McCanns at the start, and then they could have bee eliminated at that point if there was no evidence. Surely any parent would willingly submit to that so that the police could then get on and pursue the abduction theory? I understand form other cases that thius is what the brisitsh police do, and although it seems harsh and callous to the grieving parents, ultimately it then exonerates them and leaves them clear of suspicion.

and can you explain why the dogs found a scent in a car that was hired 25 days AFTER her disappearance? I wonder who had this car before them, its a small town i understand, is it feasable that it was hired by the criminal in the first instance?
But supposition is pointless, i dont know anything more than anyone here, I just feel that as british citizens they are entitled to the same level of government protection as anyone else. I only offered the very outlandish theory of a cover up as a point of argument, im sure it wont be the first time it has happened. If for instance, this poor child has been spirited away by someone, it must have been intricately organised, how convenient then that the initial response by the police was so lacking. Of course this is an outlandish suggestion, but one, as a mother, i can accept more easily than the thought of a mother, middle class or otherwise, harming their much loved child. It wont be the first time i am sure that coverups at high levels have happened, i mean, they are the people with the power to make that sort of thing happen. How likely is that scenario, please God, not very. But im just making a point. Maybe i have been watching too much telly, but my point is, we will never know the truth here.

Like my partner said to me, if GOD FORBID, we accidently harmed our child, we would be so distraught and guilt ridden that we would inform the police straight away, because you simply wouldn't care what happened to yourself anymore, surely that would be the case?

OF course this is about Madeliene, totally 100% but anyone who doesnt feel empathy for the parents must be very objective indeed.

They are now accusing a doctor of accidentally overdosing their daughter. Unbelievable. The good thing is, that the police evidence appears to be so desperately clutching-at-straws that they have few people on their side now (brits that is). They have openly pushed for a confession (promising reduced sentence, repeatedly showing her sniffer dog vids, keeping questioning going for far longer than is recommended). They have not framed her because they have not said that the dna evidence is from blood, which means it could quite easily have come from a speck of hair or old skin cells from the doll.

I'm not absolving anyone from blame or suspicion but I think that it would help to enlist the help of police services that have more experience.

The only excuse I can give for their questioning of Kate is that they are hoping to bring a confession from someone else, in sympathy for her.

I think the problem is the huge media interest and the constant 24 hour news progs etc.

Sky devoted hours to this today, the parents were followed to the airport and sky had a man wittering on all the time saying all sorts of crap, but actually saying nothing real. Why not say they have left to drive to the airport and leave it that.

Imagine if you had been Mr and Mrs "joe public" and family on that plane today, what an intrusion.

This type of 24 hr news coverage raises people's expectation of information and creates a hungry monster of the media. Speculation, interest and gossip is to some extent human nature and this type of coverage feeds it.

i agree kookaburra, and i wonder if this did happen, just wasnt publicised.

I have read through all the papers today and it seems that there is no case against the parents. Kate McCann was asked if the blood was Madeleine's. She wasn't told that it definately was. According to a senior police officer (Scotland Yard I think) if the Portugese knew for sure the blood was Madeleine's, they would have charged them. They quite clearly have nothing and were hoping for a confession to allow them to close the case.

the blood found in the car was a trace. If a decompsing 25 day old body had been put in there, there would have been lots of body fluids (not blood - dead bodies don't bleed)

the scent on Kate's jeans could have easily been transferred from the UK, when she was present at the death of a patient.

The so called bible thing is absolute rubbish. Apparently they are interested in it because a page about a dead child was creased

sorry but what a load of crap.

The Portugese have cocked up and they know it.

What more do these poor souls have to endure?

Bobbysmum07 - Have you actually read much about the portugese police? have you seen cases about how unprofessional they have acted? I honestly don't think they are the most innocent & professional police in the world.

If they honestly thought the McCanns had done anything would they really let them home? even be together to talk?

I believe the portugese police messed up from day 1, they have nothing to go on & have not got the money to carry the investigation on, this is why they have taken this dramatic turn of events, after all they seem to care an awful lot about there tourists & wanted the McCann family out of the country a while back due to the "bad name" they were bringing Prai De Luz.

Well you know what they succeded they are now back in the uk, without there beloved daughter i may add, they also can now stop following leads & looking for information & can now concentrate on the McCann's themselves in this investigation, there country can get back to "old life" and hope they get the tourisits they need, i for one will never be taking my children there!

I believe they will not arrest the McCann's what they have done is made the big "suspect" status for them so most people can blame the mother & father of the missing child so the portugese can prove it was noone from there own country & make out things like this don't happen there, so that there town & tourist percentage does not go down.

I think the portugese police themselves need to be investigated because the way they work sounds like it is against the law in it's self.

I hope the public keep looking for Madeleine because i am sure as hell the portugese police won't be now!

Also about the DNA found in the car, i listened to an ex police officer speaking earlier he said that if it had been a "full" dna they would have arrested the parents by now, he said this is what happens in the uk.

He also said that if this is a part DNA it could have come from clothes, toys etc so is far from "hard" evidence.

yes, it was said to be a few strands. Seeing as Madeleine would share strands of DNA with every member of her family, it's just not even what anyone can call evidence.

but scoobydoo, none of us know anything. The portuguese police have this strange secrecy law and therefore leaves them open to us just saying their crap and useless. We dont know what eveidence they have or dont have.

But this is all coming from information leaked by the McCann family. Not the police.

The police have not said what the evidence is. And presumably won't until it's put before a judge.

If they had enough evidence the McCann's would not have been let home & would be in front of a judge on monday morning.

They have said this investigation could go on for 1 year yet.