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The Andrew Harper Case

115 replies

Witchofzog · 10/03/2020 12:52

My heart goes out to his wife, family, colleagues and friends today. I just find the details reported in the media today absolutely horrifying. Part of me thinks there is no need to report such terrible details and part of me thinks the world needs to know what these animals did so there is no shred of doubt what monsters they are. His poor loved ones having to know this Sad

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gypsywater · 29/07/2020 17:12

@Devlesko You HONESTLY think the PP is no better than a murderer? What the fuck are you on.

gypsywater · 29/07/2020 17:13

@Toddlerteaplease Tonnes of murders are not premeditated. Murder means an intention to kill OR cause very serious harm. Check your facts.

woodhill · 29/07/2020 17:22

I can't understand how they are not ashamed and upset about what they did. Is the smirking just bravado?

gypsywater · 29/07/2020 17:26

@woodhill They have probably always loathed the police so likely give zero shits. Scum.

Komacho · 29/07/2020 17:32

@Devlesko

Good piece in the times today about how we shouldnt put up with the habits of "travellers "

Gosh they should be locked away for good, evil people. They are clearly scum of the earth.
But if you feel that article is good you are no better than the murderers and racist to boot.
When a gauja murders shall we blame you and write "Good" articles about how all gauja's are like this.

Reported you, as you are racist.

Yes, liking an article is exactly the same as murdering someone and laughing about it.
Binterested · 29/07/2020 17:33

I saw the Times piece and thought it was very strong. I didn’t know the perpetrators’ heritage till I read that. Awful story.

Komacho · 29/07/2020 17:34

@Devlesko

Good piece in the times today about how we shouldnt put up with the habits of "travellers "

Gosh they should be locked away for good, evil people. They are clearly scum of the earth.
But if you feel that article is good you are no better than the murderers and racist to boot.
When a gauja murders shall we blame you and write "Good" articles about how all gauja's are like this.

Reported you, as you are racist.

Also, the irony of you accusing others of being racist isn't lost.
gypsywater · 29/07/2020 18:21

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Devlesko · 29/07/2020 18:36

Also, the irony of you accusing others of being racist isn't lost.

The pp was racist and had posts removed.
HTH
I'm married to a gauja and my dc were raised in both cultures. Hard to see how I'm racist.

Whatever culture or race a person comes from if they do what those scumbags did they deserve everything they get. I'd give them life if it was up to me. But I jump on racism when I see it because we have suffered enough and continue to suffer from ignorant and racist people who no nothing or relatively nothing about our race or culture.

Devlesko · 29/07/2020 18:40

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gypsywater · 29/07/2020 18:49

@Devlesko Gypsy Water is a really well known perfume...Confused

Devlesko · 29/07/2020 18:55

Apologies there, gypsy water. Thanks That was entirely my fault and out of order.
My PG study is debunking the new theory that Roma originated in Egypt rather than India. This includes following the migration and various language formations over 1500 years ago.
Hardly the work of a thick person.
Several times I see a retort of yours insinuating someone as being thick, it's at least the second time you have done it to me.
Maybe think twice next time.

gypsywater · 29/07/2020 18:59

@Devlesko I literally have no idea what you're on about now, soz!

chubbyhotchoc · 29/07/2020 19:09

As my dh says being thick is dangerous. Hope justice is done in the end. It's an awful crime.

Komacho · 31/07/2020 13:32

16 years for Henry Long, 13 for the other two. I wonder how long they'll actually serve.

OhToBeASeahorse · 31/07/2020 13:36

I really thought they would be given longer - there is scope to be given longer even if 'just' manslaughter.

When the killer of Alfie Lamb got off so lightly I consoled myself that his time in jail would not be a pleasant one. But this wont be the case here.

I struggle with the injustice of it all

Glitterandunicorns · 31/07/2020 13:48

It is upsettingly low isn't it. In all fairness, 16 years isn't bad to say that he will have had a reduction for pleading guilty. It still feels like a terrible injustice though.

Glitterandunicorns · 31/07/2020 13:48

Oh and usually it's half in prison and half on licence, which is worse again.

MrsTerryPratchett · 31/07/2020 14:19

Was it a life sentence with a 16/13 year tariff?

lynsey91 · 31/07/2020 15:36

Sentences are far too low. I honestly thought the Judge would have given a much harsher sentence.

I despair sometimes of the law in this country. His family must be devastated.

I really hope they get a rough time in prison but I doubt they will. Probably be heroes to a lot in there as they killed a policeman

gypsywater · 31/07/2020 16:22

UK sentences are embarrassing

Glitterandunicorns · 31/07/2020 17:49

@MrsTerryPratchett They weren't life sentences, but I'm taking comfort from the fact that they got a bigger sentence than they were expecting, based on their reported reactions in court.

MrsTerryPratchett · 31/07/2020 18:47

Thanks, I couldn't see anywhere.

A few points on sentencing; offenders only serving half their sentence is actually a good thing for two main reasons. Firstly because it incentivizes good behaviour in prison, making people much easier to manage. Time off for good behaviour. Secondly someone coming out with a few years still on their sentence means they are properly supervised in the community and can be recalled to prison for much lesser behaviour. A life sentence would have been better because the supervision and recall is for life.

13 and 16 years are long sentences. No sentence would be a true reflection of what harm they have done. I'm against the death penalty and so custodial sentences are what remains. These offenders are 18 and 19, which means their sentences are proportionally most of their life. That's a long time. It's not true natural 'justice' because nothing could be.

As for having a 'rough time' inside... people say this and don't consider the implications. State sanctioned torture, rape, what are you hoping for? You want people residing at her majesty's pleasure to be beaten and hurt? No civilized country should allow that. The punishment is loss of liberty. Not physical harm. That would be barbaric and we aren't barbaric.

13 years ago my life was completely different. I moved country, married, had a child, had holidays and celebrations with family and friends, got a dog, moved jobs, volunteered, had fun and loved my life. All of that will be denied to these men. That's the punishment.

14yearsago · 31/07/2020 19:50

I have name changed for this.
A member of my family was kidnapped and robbed at knife point by Joseph McCann. They were driven round for several hours while Joseph and his brother/friend (not sure which) laughed and joked about whether to kill them or not.
Eventually they were dumped in the middle of nowhere minus phone, wallet and shoes.
The eventual trial collapsed due to witness intimidation (and an extraordinary degree of incompetence by all the authorities involved).
The victim was 18 years old and went to court alone, such was their fear of reprisals against our family if any of us were seen by the perpetrator and his family.
The family of the perpetrators all sat in the gallery smirking, pointing, and making cut throat gestures.
We all know what that man went on to do.
The reports of his history and that of his family were published in the newspapers.
There are individuals and families who have no respect fro human life or the rule of law.