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The Andrew Harper Case

115 replies

Witchofzog · 10/03/2020 12:52

My heart goes out to his wife, family, colleagues and friends today. I just find the details reported in the media today absolutely horrifying. Part of me thinks there is no need to report such terrible details and part of me thinks the world needs to know what these animals did so there is no shred of doubt what monsters they are. His poor loved ones having to know this Sad

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GetOffYourHighHorse · 24/07/2020 20:16

Some comments on the now deleted thread on aibu saying it wasn't premeditated and there wasn't intent so it wasn't murder. I just don't accept that, getting caught up in the rope was accidental however once they knew he was there they surely intended to kill him.

LetsGoFlyAKiteee · 24/07/2020 21:13

Hopefully the sentence when it comes will be fitting. I dont see how they didn't know you would notice a weight difference..and what would they think dragging someone along at speed would do to them other then kill or seriously injure...

TheMurk · 24/07/2020 21:17

One of the worst things I’ve ever read.

I remember his wife’s statement just after it happened and that was heartbreaking enough without knowing now just how truly horrific it was.

How people survive horrific losses like this I will never know.

Catspaw123 · 24/07/2020 21:24

Laughing and cheering in public gallery with PC Harper's wife sat feet away. Absolutely vile.

aModernClassic · 24/07/2020 21:41

@lazylockdowner

I live just down the road from where this happened and also know the 3 men in court I'm absolutely disgusted with the outcome. I can't help but wonder if the jury have been intimidated by the families
Me too. If you live where we do, you know the families would try and intimidate the jury. That's how they get off with the crime locally. People are afraid of the consequences of getting the police involved. A chap doing some work on our house, got beaten up by one of the lads, as he didn't know who he was and asked him to stop leaning on his van. They beat him up and threw him into a shop window. The owners didn't want to get involved, even though they had CCTV. It makes me feel sick to the stomach thinking of their families happy they didn't get charged with murder. Walking around the village like they own the place.
flowerycurtain · 24/07/2020 21:48

This was just horrendous. I cannot begin to imagine his families pain.

I read today that the jury had to be given police protection as they had been intimidation attempts.

lazylockdowner · 24/07/2020 21:58

aModenClassic yep we are clearly close by to each other. I'm no longer in the village but most my family still are. I know the driver more and even as a young child he was vile a right nasty piece of work. Probably like you I knew the names of the 3 people responsible by 8am that morning

KaptainKaveman · 24/07/2020 22:43

This is an horrific case, I feel so sorry for that poor man and his family. The perps sound like real trash. Sad

superoz · 24/07/2020 23:21

I can’t help but wonder if the jury was intimidated into the verdict of manslaughter. The news stated that they were placed under extra security measures, so there were threats made. No remorse whatsoever. Just awful.

prh47bridge · 25/07/2020 07:20

Either the jury was intimidated or they accepted that the accused were not aware that they were dragging PC Harper.

Re sentencing, it depends on whether the judge thinks this is high culpability or very high culpability. For high culpability the sentencing range is 8-16 years with a starting point of 12 years. For very high culpability the range is 11-24 years with a starting point of 18 years.

fishfingersfortea · 25/07/2020 09:01

I am close to the camp where the driver of the vehicle lives. He was well known & regularly reported in the local paper in the weekly court round up for his crimes. Locals know to leave them alone & hope in return to be left alone. Someone I know was beaten up by a member of this community, the police were involved as he was quite injured but he was told he would be wise to not take it further as the retaliation would be worse. That’s what we live with here

Catspaw123 · 25/07/2020 09:51

According to the Telegraph the case has been referred to the Attorney General because of suspicion of jury tampering

chrislilleyswig · 25/07/2020 11:40

@fishfingersfortea

I am close to the camp where the driver of the vehicle lives. He was well known & regularly reported in the local paper in the weekly court round up for his crimes. Locals know to leave them alone & hope in return to be left alone. Someone I know was beaten up by a member of this community, the police were involved as he was quite injured but he was told he would be wise to not take it further as the retaliation would be worse. That’s what we live with here
That makes such sad - and rage inducing- reading

What's the answer?

gypsywater · 25/07/2020 12:03

Jury totally terrified of reprisals. What a travesty.

LetsGoFlyAKiteee · 25/07/2020 12:14

Think what makes it worse is no remorse shown..and his wife and family seeing their reactions to the verdict. Hopefully they all get the support they need..and they get the longest possible sentence.

gypsywater · 25/07/2020 12:18

The reactions of their families on the verdict said it all too. Zero respect for anyone at all. No wonder the lads are as scummy as they are.

fishfingersfortea · 25/07/2020 13:04

I don’t know what the answer is other than to move away from the area. I should imagine there are many travellers within the community that want to distance their families from the ‘problem’ ones but are also scared of reprisals and being shunned and so carry on tolerating the behaviour and not calling them out on it.

Preschoolermum · 25/07/2020 14:20

Apparently one juror was discharged from the jury immediately before deliberation began, because she had been seen by a prison officer mouthing “Goodbye boys” to the defendants. The judge said she was not impartial and so discharged her.

Given the verdict, I very much feel she was not the only dodgy juror and I hope there is an investigation into this, because the outcome is an absolute travesty.

Unfortunately I can’t access the Telegraph article in the above link.... can anyone tell me what it says?

EleanorTopaz · 25/07/2020 16:36

Telegraph Article: The widow of Pc Andrew Harper said she was "shocked and appalled" after a jury cleared three teenagers of his "barbaric" murder on Friday, but convicted them of the lesser charge of manslaughter.

The trio, who had sat laughing and smirking throughout the trial, were convicted amid allegations of jury intimidation and following the bizarre dismissal of one female juror who was seen repeatedly smiling at the killers during the judge’s summing up.

A former policing minister said he was referring the trial to the Attorney General over fears that the jury may have been tampered with while Lord Blunkett, the former Home Secretary, suggested a retrial should have been ordered.

Sir Paul Stephenson, the former Metropolitan Police Commissioner, said on Friday night he had "deep concern".

In an emotional statement outside the Old Bailey, Lissie Harper, who had only been married for four weeks when her “incredible, selfless and heroic” husband was dragged for more than a mile behind a car to his death last August, said: “Standing here, before all of you, I honestly thought I would be addressing you following a very different verdict... I am, for the second time in the space of one year, utterly shocked and appalled.

Lissie Harper speaks to the press outside the Old Bailey on Friday
Lissie Harper speaks to the press outside the Old Bailey on Friday CREDIT: Aaron Chown/PA
"The decisions made in these courts, by strangers, will never change the outcome that had already come to us. For many, many agonising months, we had hoped that justice would come in some way for Andrew.”

Pc Harper’s killers – Henry Long, 19, and Albert Bowers and Jessie Cole, both 18 – hugged each other when the verdict was announced.

During two trials – the first was abandoned in March as a result of the coronavirus lockdown – the gang from a travellers' community in Berkshire had been seen laughing in the dock.

Even when Pc Harper's body was compared to a "deer carcass" after being dragged for more than a mile down country lanes in Berkshire, Bowers, Long and Cole continued smirking.

The police officer had tried to intervene when he caught the gang stealing a quad bike. He became entangled in the tow rope attached to Long’s car and dragged to his death. The killers were traced to the Four Houses Corner travellers' site in Berkshire.

Mrs Harper said that she and her family "had put our faith in the justice system... to ensure these men were made to repent for their barbaric crimes" and added "but in reality, they make no difference to the heart-wrenching pain I will continue to feel for the rest of my life".

Mrs Harper described his death at the age of 28 as "brutal and senseless" and said she was "immensely disappointed with the verdict".

She paid tribute to a "beautiful, loving human being" and said: "I now have my own life sentence to bear and believe me when I say it will be a much more painful, soul-destroying and treacherous journey than anyone facing a meagre number of years in prison will experience."

Alleged plot to intimidate jurors

Following the verdicts, it can now be disclosed that the judge, Mr Justice Edis, brought the first trial to a temporary halt over an alleged potential plot to intimidate jurors.

An unidentified person in the public gallery overlooking the courtroom was seen pointing at jurors and the judge ordered extra security measures to protect the jury.

Without divulging details, he said police had received information "that an attempt is being considered by associates of the defendants to intimidate the jury".

Then last Friday July 17, towards the end of the second trial, an overly friendly juror was seen by a prison officer to mouth "Bye boys" to the defendants in the dock and continually smiling at them. On being alerted to the incident, Mr Justice Edis said: "She must have been compelled by some strong motive to have behaved as she did in this court under the observation of so many. It was both overt and covert at the time, which is remarkable behaviour."

The female juror was discharged just a day before the remaining 11 men and women began deliberating on their verdicts.

Albert Bowers, Jessie Long, Henry Cole
Albert Bowers, Jessie Long and Henry Cole
The disclosures caused alarm on Friday. Mike Penning, former policing and justice minister, said he would be writing to the Attorney General Suella Braverman to ask her to investigate.

Mr Penning said: “We have to stand up for victims. That is our job as politicians if it [the verdict] was unduly lenient. The Attorney General should look at this case.

"The one thing a jury should be is completely detached in any shape or form from the people that are being tried. Clearly, the judge had concerns otherwise he would not have discharged the juror.”

Lord Blunkett said: "It throws considerable doubt on whether the whole of the jury should have been stood down and a retrial required. The verdict also raises issues that I think the law commission should lack in respect of the definition of murder because although it might not be premeditated, it was murder."

Sir Paul Stephenson, the former Metropolitan Police Commissioner, said: "It is of deep concern. I can understand why the judge did not want to dismiss the [entire] jury but this is of great concern."

Richard Benyon, the former Conservative MP for Newbury, whose land is close to the scene killing, said: "To see this brutal killing result in such a verdict will cause incredulity in this part of Berkshire."

The Attorney General and the Ministry of Justice both declined to comment.

All three of the defendants had denied murder although Long, the ringleader who was driving the saloon car dragging the body, had pleaded guilty to manslaughter.

They will be sentenced next Friday but although still facing life for manslaughter are likely to serve far less prison time than if convicted of murder.

The officer who led the investigation said the killers had showed no remorse and that their friends and relatives sought to frustrate his investigation.

Detective Superintendent Stuart Blaik said: "The fact he was a police officer and one of our own of course, it's paid a huge toll on all of us.”

He said it was the defendants' "criminality" in stealing a quad bike that put them on course to meet Pc Harper and his colleague Pc Andrew Shaw, with "catastrophic consequences".

Mr Blaik said: "Despite having worked a long shift already they responded to that, and tragically Andrew has paid the ultimate price for that.”

The defendants had shown no remorse or helped police piece together what happened, he said, adding: "They had every opportunity to do that and it was a conscious decision by them not to assist police from the very outset, all the way through, and even during the trial."

RiverMeadow · 25/07/2020 22:26

It's been playing on my mind all day. Those horrible boys. I wonder what their families think??!!

aModernClassic · 26/07/2020 10:49

I think their families are more worried about the hassle it's caused than the crimes or punishment. One boy has already served 6 months for sexual offenders. And Long admitted in court that he comes from a family of thieves.

TheQueef · 26/07/2020 10:54

Justice wasn't served.
Contempt for the victims family should also be punishable.

gypsywater · 26/07/2020 10:55

@TheQueef Agree 100%

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