i find this unbeliveable - mand an son attacked as playign cricket

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My DH use to run with a running club in that area. Children as young as 6yo would spit on them as they ran. My DH gave up after 3 weeks and we have never been back to that area since.

i don't think they have a detrimental effect in themselves as i played them the majority of my teens growing up.

no, true, it depends of the individual. I would question what sort of fun is to be gained from acting out such graphic violence though

What shocks me is that there seems to be no thought or care given to the consequences of their actions. They just don't seem to care.

they're desensitized = no empathy = complete sociopathic behaviour.

Needs nipping in the bud right now, when innocent people are dying for fun. I wouldnt be suprised if killer kids acocunted for more deaths than serial killers in this country at least. That's frightening.

it's getting to be the same over here in dublin. and if you ever see any documentaries on some of the gangs in california or read any reformed gang bangers books it's absolutely scary how a 12-14 year old kid can have a couple of kills under his belt and just not care.

Fucking animals.

What sickens me as that children's poor behaviour is excused and excused to the point that they don't feel that there is ever a consequence to their actions.

And in this we, the adults, are to blame.

These are kids who have no idea that actions have consequences, and are, effectivly, feral.

the man..I do live in England.

Murder must be premeditated. Throwing someone off a bridge is going to kill them. That is premeditated. Keeping a baseball bat by the side of your bed and banging a burglar on the head killing him could be seen as manslaughter, You could kill someone by simply having an arguement in the street with them, stressing them out, causing them to have a heart attack. That cant be murder.

I do hope and believe that these kids were tormenting and had no intention of causing death but that would be for the court to decide. If they knew he had a heart condition that caused the heart attack then they could be seen to be guilty of murder, otherwise I dont think you could even callit manslaughter.

What is sickening is the result of their torment, the agony that his family must now go through and the torment that these kids and their families must go through when they realise what they have done.

Martinbishop is right........we the adults are to blame.

Bad.

They have been caught and are facing the charges - one good thing at least.

So is the consensus on this thread "bring back national service?" I never thought I'd hear myself say this but I do wonder whether it might be an idea.

I have a sister who is training to be a primary school teacher. She seems to be becoming indoctrinated with bizarre notions - e.g. that all bad behaviour is learned behaviour and pretty much every approach to discipline is harmful to the children. With these theories, which do not appear to have any basis in evidence, being taught to teachers, what hope have we? Children who are not given boundaries at home, or trained to treat others with respect, cannot be given those boundaries in school. Since these kids then behave like savage animals (on her first placement my dsis was bitten by a child, badly enough to draw blood)they make it impossible for other children to learn. If we are scared of these feral kids, imagine how terrifying it must be to grow up amoung them?

And there do not appear to be any real sanctions. A friend who was walking home one night was attacked by some teenage girls (she had refused to give them ciggaretes), a passerby called the police and she was rescued before any serious harm was done. Shaken and bruised, my friend wanted to press charges but the police advised against it as the attackers were underage and knew that nothing would happen to them

dh is in the armed forces and he says that they don't want to deal with feral nutcases like this lot. (assuming that they did it etc etc)

and unless you make sure that they actually have to stay with the forces for the duration of the national service (ie they can't leave before thie time is up) they would just run away. And I'm not sure the human rights legeslation would allow them to be detained at HM forces pleaseure IYSWIM

if only they could make it so they cant leg it - like the foreign legion

I honestly think there has to be a BIG change because its only getting worse...

Do we need to lock 'em up then?

When I read about the behaviour of children in schools it really scares me. Why will no-one enforce boundaries?

So what happens in coutries where this ISN'T a problem? Because surely it is worse here than in a lot of places isn't it?

Lock-ups, probably, WWW.

We used to have 'reform school' when I was a kid.

If someone was excluded for ill behaviour - and mind, we also had corporal punishment so you got the slipper and it was a while before exclusion - they didn't come back to the school!

They went to a boys or girls reform school, which operated more like a prison, but you went home at the end of the day.

Also, in places where this isn't a problem, the police and the law have far more power than they do here.

WWW we seem to be too scared to enforce boundaries-and no wonder, when you see what results when people do step in. But it's a bit of a Catch22 situation.

Good question, www. Why is it so bad here? I don't mean awful incidents like this poor man in the OP - because thankfully, that's still rare and shocking - but this daily, nationwide low level anti-social behaviour and random acts of violence.

I was in the park today and there were a bunch of young teenage boys smoking, swearing, spitting, throwing rubbish around...nothing desperately bad, but unpleasant and anti-social. I wasn't brave enough to say anything to them...

Well you'd probably only have been called a c**t Moo. And it wouldn't have helped your afternoon.

Asbos haven't worked have they?

Yeah, then they ruin the park for the kids. It sounds horrid, but I wish someone would haul them off in a police van, tbh.

the respect charter that was launched by the government last year was supposed to address all this. doesnt appear to be having much impact so far...

I'm afraid the only thing that would have an impact is putting the smack down on peoples' arse.

This whole 'Oh, poor things! They're just bored. They have nothing to do' mentality needs to GO. Sorry, but I've been bored and had nothing to do and didn't think, 'Oh, so then that means it's okay to assault someone or kill them, ruin someone's property or go to a park and be a big chav' because I'm angry/frustrated/bored.

And if someone doesn't learn that at home then they can at least learn that doing that when you're bored or angry has serious, negative consequences.

And I think that EU Human Rights biz has to go!