Over 15,000 people registered on the organ donation register in 24 hours!!!!

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wow misdee will be happy

And you do get "freedom of choice" - you could choose to opt out!

what good is anything to us when we are dead? i'm sure that when my parents die that there are poor people who need the money i willl get from inheritance a lot more than me, does that mean my parents should not be free to choose to give it to me instead?
how is it still a freedom of choice when you are having an action imposed upon you to achieve a negative?

your parents are free to chosse to give you their moeny - by making a will. If they don't the state will decide what to do with their money.

If you don't leave instructions on what you want to happen to your body on death the state will decide for you.

No different.

"If they don't the state will decide what to do with their money.

If you don't leave instructions on what you want to happen to your body on death the state will decide for you.
no different"

really?you can't see the difference?so the state often assumes control over your money and issues it to those who you owe nothing and have no relationship with? funny i thought when you died intestate debts were paid off with the remainder being gifted to off-spring and partners.

what about foreign nationals who die while visiting the state?
what about people who oppose it for religious purposes?

the intestacy rules are decided by the state and are far more complex than if you die it goes to your spouse and children.

For example if you die with a surviving spouse not all your estate will necessarily go to your spouse. Do you agree with that? Few people do. If you don't agree you need to make a will leaving it all to your spouse.

people who oppose for religious reasons will opt out as they are entitled to
I assume visitors will not come under this ruling, UK resident and domiciled only. Anymore than the UK authorities would tka eit upon themselves to divide the estate of a foreign visitor who dies here.

"what about people who oppose it for religious purposes?" THEY OPT OUT

"what about foreign nationals who die while visiting the state?" THE LAW WOULD ALMOST DEF BE WRITTEN SO THAT THEIR BODIES WOULD BE REPATRIATED IN TACT UNLESS THEIR RELATIVES STATED OTHERWISE. THAT IS HOW IT IS IN OTHER COUNTRIES WITH THIS LAW.

theman you are obviously against organ donation and it is your right and also your right if the new rules are ever brought in to opt out of being a donor. It is even your right to subsequently change your mind and accept an organ donation if you choose.

However 90% of the country are pro-donation and the minority who are anti will be able to opt out - where is your probelm with that?

"people who oppose for religious reasons will opt out as they are entitled to "

now to me this would impede on your freedom of religious practice.firstly as it would force one to register their religious beliefs and secondly as we are free to convert religions at any time how can you be sure that the person whos organs you are taking is not a recent convert who was unable to "un-register" before they passed.
but my main problem with this is the fundamental question, what gives the government/medical boards the right to lay claim to my body/organs without my consent, which regardless of what you might argue about being "entitled to opt out" is what they are doing.what entitles them to put me on their list of organ donars in the first place without my consent?

you would not have to register your religion - just a simple opt out. No reason required.

"theman you are obviously against organ donation and it is your right and also your right if the new rules are ever brought in to opt out of being a donor. It is even your right to subsequently change your mind and accept an organ donation if you choose.

However 90% of the country are pro-donation and the minority who are anti will be able to opt out - where is your probelm with that? "

i have absolutely no problem with organ donations,i think it is a very worthwhile practice which saves many lives. what i am against is the government making decisions for me.why should i be forced to "opt out" to refute their claim over my body and organs? you keep on saying that it is my right to opt out if such a system came into place, but my one over-riding problem with this is, what right does the government have to lay claim to my body in the first place to force me to "opt out". who gave them the right to assume that i was for organ donation simply because i never said i wasn't?

"you would not have to register your religion - just a simple opt out. No reason required. "

the religious argument was a tenuos argument simply to prove a point that such a scheme could lead to organs being harvested against the wishes of a persons beliefs.as in the latter part of my post i explained my main objections to the scheme i won't take up space by repeating them.

I'm not sure about this new debating tool of cutting and pasting previous comments...
Although I am pro the opt out idea which is the important part.

Because with the current "opt-in" system a lot of people just don't get around to opting-in although are in favour of organ donation and there is a chronic shortage of organs available for donation. So the government is acting as a result of requests both from the medical profession and people who are waiting for organs.

sorry but i don't know how to quote on this and i find it easier to let people what points i am addressing specifically or what posters i am replying to.
if it annoys people i'll stop

so they at no point are they acting on the wishes of the people who actually own the organs?
if there is such a strong pro-donation (90% according to one poster) how come they are so lethargic that they can't tick a boz on their drivers licence or sign an organ donar card.this takes all of two seconds to save someones life.
also when they are doing these surveys which are supporting this pro donar stance why aren't they carrying a bucket load of organ donar cards for people to sign?

also how do you know that these people who never get around to opting in are in favour of organ donation?is it purely anectdotle evidence or is this backed up by some form of study or factual evidence?
this is starting to sound like one of those 50% of all rapes go unreported,support your local rape crisis centre pleas.

I think people normally just read back over the thread - sorry, I didn't mean to annoy anyone either.
Howver, I do think that any theoretical debate about whether or not you should have to opt out or be automatically included on the transplant list would fly out of the window if someone you loved was waiting for a new heart or whatever. Presumably, theman, you're on here as a parent. Can you honestly say your views would be the same if it was your child who was waiting?

yes it would.why would you assume that my opinions on social matters are that ego-centric. if i had a loved one on their deathbed i would bemoan the lack of organs,curse the government, curse people for their ignorant selfishness of not being organ donars and generally lash out at everyone and everything. but i would not assume that this would give me the right over another persons body to just take their organs on the basis that they never said i couldn't.
their are many things which i am against but which i would bemoan if it affected me in a personal way. for example i am against the death penalty, but if someone killed a loved one or i caught someone who had raped a female family member and i had a gun to their head i know i'd pull the trigger. does this mean i am pro-death penalty now? or that the government should reform the laws to appease a personal emotive issue? no of course not.and that is why the laws should not be made by those who are emotionally and personally involved in such situations. as it leads to bad law.

the 90% came from public attitude research undertaken by UKT in 2003 confirming that 90% of the population is in favour of organ donation in principle. Of course it may have fluctuated wildly since then and I didn;t check the detail of the questionnaire used but it was not anecdotal. If I use anecdotal "evidence" I say so.

and if the majority agree to opting out (rather than opting in), then it will become law and your body will be up for grabs {tasteless emoticon]. The beauty of a democracy.

twopoints.
while i'm not dispouting this survey i'll take your word for it.
90% of people being in favour of organ donation in theory is a lot different to 90% of people agreeing to their organs being donated.
and secondly how lazy are these people that they support an idea which they believe will save lives that they can't register?

kind of you to take my word but it's not my word!

you rather superiorly (is that a word) questioned my factually based comment that 90% of the population are pro-donation (didn't make a comment on they had thought in any great detail about their own organs). I told you who did the research and when. Maybe if opting out became the rule we would then discover that 80odd % of people opted out and you were right - I suspect that about 10% would opt out and that if they don't have to think about it too much. Many people don't particularly want to consider what will happen to their body if they die young in traumatic circumstances and discuss it with their family but would be hapy with the idea of an automatic opt in. I don't know that of course, I is my opinion and I formed this opinion anecdotally from other people.

I understand your disapproval of the opting out scenario but don't really want to keep stating that I don't agree, it gets a bit dull after a while.

I have just arrived home from hospital with ds after his 2nd transplant within as many months.

Of course I support the opt out scheme, but can see that not everybody would agree with that. However what I do find strange is people who seem to think it is some sort of government conspiracy to get everybodies organs. What have the government really got to do with it/gain from it?

Surely it's about an unselfish act of giving others life after your death?

And as for religious beliefs. What a load of shite. There were people on the ward of all relegions receiving transplants. Where the f* does it say in the bible/koran etc that you shouldn't receive other peoples organs? No such thing existed then!