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The suspect bomb in London.... but this comment really annoyed me. It feels vaguely racist and yet I am not sure it is..

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BreeVanDerCamp · 29/06/2007 09:50

All options, including the Irish, are open at this stage," said the source.

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Quattrocento · 30/06/2007 22:19

TN!

Come off this thread now. Here be dragons.

UCM · 30/06/2007 22:20

Black & tan? I thought that was a doberman.

TnOgu · 30/06/2007 22:22

No, they were men who evicted people from their homes using brute force.

Pan · 30/06/2007 22:34

Really unpleasant bastards..

TnOgu....just parking the car up agai...thank you.

Quattrocento · 30/06/2007 22:35

TN, if we move to the poetry thread now, I will post Easter 1916 now, and as a good Fenians all (you'll have to adopt me), we can mourn the passing of Pearse and MacBride and Connolly and (who were the others?)

TnOgu · 30/06/2007 22:36

< sob >

TransfiguratingLily · 30/06/2007 22:36

I am in NI and grew up with the troubles. Everything about it was horrible, from the physical bombs going off, killings, searches, constant helicoptors blah blah to the fact that everyone was afraid of each other, with good reason. Tiny subtle things every day meant that there was a tension here.
Anyway now things are changing, changing, changing and it is fantastic.

TnOgu · 30/06/2007 22:36

Hear, hear

TransfiguratingLily · 30/06/2007 23:25

Thing is, the peace process has involved everyone 'owning' the thing rather than saying 'it's only a small minority' not us, it's them...put them in a separate place to fight and leave us out of it.

There is the skill/wisdom among us to deal with the 'new' troubles and I just hope we can learn from past mistakes (for a change).

TnOgu · 30/06/2007 23:31

{well said]

[get that kiln working and make some beautiful pots ]

chipmonkey · 30/06/2007 23:49

Quattrocento, is that the
"What need you being come to sense
But fumble in a greasy till" poem?
Or have I got the wrong poem?

TransfiguratingLily · 01/07/2007 08:14

[I don't make pots...I make people]
Conflict certainly inspires alot of songs/poetry/art/philosophy....wonder what life would be like without conflict..

TnOgu · 01/07/2007 08:16

We'll never know.

pagwatch · 01/07/2007 08:37

chipmonkey
i agree with you .
i think in fairness he left when he had a son and another child on the way and it became apparent that my mums family were not going to leave them alone.

Quattrocento · 01/07/2007 10:37

Chippy - sorry for slow response - I meant this one:

ireland.wlu.edu/landscape/Group2/first%20page--poem.htm

chipmonkey · 01/07/2007 19:22

pagwatch, your Mum's family must be related to my MIL!
Thanks, quattro, not the poem I had in mind obv!

BreeVanDerCamp · 01/07/2007 19:25

Chip monkey this is it....

September 1913

WHAT need you, being come to sense,
But fumble in a greasy till
And add the halfpence to the pence
And prayer to shivering prayer, until
You have dried the marrow from the bone;
For men were born to pray and save:
Romantic Ireland?s dead and gone,
It?s with O?Leary in the grave.

Yet they were of a different kind
The names that stilled your childish play,
They have gone about the world like wind,
But little time had they to pray
For whom the hangman?s rope was spun,
And what, God help us, could they save:
Romantic Ireland?s dead and gone,
It?s with O?Leary in the grave.

Was it for this the wild geese spread
The grey wing upon every tide;
For this that all that blood was shed,
For this Edward Fitzgerald died,
And Robert Emmet and Wolfe Tone,
All that delirium of the brave;
Romantic Ireland?s dead and gone,
It?s with O?Leary in the grave.

Yet could we turn the years again,
And call those exiles as they were,
In all their loneliness and pain
You?d cry ?Some woman?s yellow hair
Has maddened every mother?s son?:
They weighed so lightly what they gave,
But let them be, they?re dead and gone,
They?re with O?Leary in the grave

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chipmonkey · 01/07/2007 19:49

actually Bree I can recite that poem from start to finish but couldn't for the life of me remember what it was called except that there was a year in the title! Thank you!

Quattrocento · 01/07/2007 21:06

Hello Chippy. Said this on the other thread too!

D'oh. Thanks Bree. Yay, more Yeats!

Eliza2 · 02/07/2007 09:56

^I have a very Irish name, and my general look is of that race.
Never, not once has any British person blamed me for what the Irish have done to them.^

I am English but have often worked with Irish people in London. I was educated with Irish girls, too. We got along very well, disagreeing on many political and historical facts, but liking and respecting each other as professional colleagues and friends. Even when Bobby Sands died during my time at school hostility between the English and Irish girls didn't create more than angry words in a classroom debate.

The only Irish people who I've had serious difference with have been American Irish, who still seem to think that the British Army is occupying Dublin (yes, Dublin, not Belfast). Try telling them that we're living in peace!

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