Schoolgirl fights for right to wear 'chastity ring'

[lyrasdaemon]

A 16 year-old girl is going to the High Court to gain the right to wear her 'chastity ring' at school. Read more here.

IMHO, this girl hasn't got a leg to stand on. The 'chastity ring' is not a Christian symbol, it is a symbol of a pledge made to remain sexually inactive until marriage, a pledge which can be made by those of all faiths and none. As the ring is not a uniquely Christian symbol, the girl's religious beliefs are not being discriminated against by being told she cannot wear it. For this very simple reason, the High Court should chuck out this case worthwith and tell the girl to get stuffed!!!

Greensleeves, the headcovering is in the Quran, the word Hijaab is in the Quran the word for headcovering is in the quran.

Personally I'm apathetic to the whole SRT thing -stright after it was clarified the ring in question wasn't an interesting piercing and one couldn't grow back their hymen I got bored.

And non-muslims who have never picked up a copy of the quran telling me that my hijaab is a cultral innovation as apposed to a religious obligation, is the reason why my girls are going to an Islamic school...don't worry I'm paying full whack for the privilege before anyone gets hysterical about a non-muslim paying for my muslim girls.

a muslim girl is required by her faith to wear a head covering Madamz

I don't think anyone is required to do anything by their faith. They feel that a certain set of behaviours is consistent with it.

But it is always a personal interpretation. In the breadth of any mass market religion is a wide diversity of views.
Much of what religious people do simply isn't directly covered by the main holy book at all.

Some Moslems believe that the prohibition is against wine, not beer, most think that's bollocks, but some take that interpretation.
Jesus threw a complete fit at foreign exchange traders. In the NT, he's quite civil to the devil, prostitutes, and all sorts of criminals, but FX guys get his full wrath. Why isn't it a official sin then ?
Because Christians have decided otherwise.
I'm not arguing whether this is "right", but merely giving examples where the interpretation of people who genuinely believe is entirely different to the explicit words of their holy book.

DC I've never come across any muslim who has argued that alcohol of any kind is permitted in Islam, the word is intoxicant as it happens, which kinda covers recreational drug usage too.

I have come across muslim people who drink, but not because they think/pretend it is permitted, but because they want to regardless of religios dictat. Oh yes also know one bloke who reckons it's medicinal thing to have a drink when it's cold

ppb: yes, but the jilbab is the all-envelopingfloor-length robe, not the head covering, and at that girls' school, muslim girls were free to wear the headscarf and the shalwar kamise (spelling, someone?) and the head of the school had discussed the uniform rules with more than one imam to make them suitable - but this one girl and her family wanted to force the issue way too far

second chance virginity ,that sounds fascinating ,can someone who has children do this ? Is it like the born again thing ,where you can lapse and be born again and again and again ,just make sure your born again before you die

So, madamez, the school took the the trouble to understand the feelings of one religion, but arrogantly assumed they knew best with this girl ?
Hardly fair is it ?

DC I would be very surprised if the wto girls in these two court cases both went to the same school. WOuldn't you?

I don't get your logic ?
You accept, it's a belief, yet not a religious one ?
She says it is.

How do you know different ?

She may be mistaken, indeed given the opposing views of different religions we can be sure that at least 90% of the religious people on the planet are wrong, (buy which 90% ?)

How can you look into her heart and say what she believes ?
Or

Why aren't rules rules any more??? They are there for a reason, so let's just keep our religion and lifestyle choices and out of school. We can put them all back on when we get home. Or perhaps this girl's family are afraid that she will have unmarried sex at school if she's not wearing her ring, because nobody will know that she doesn't want to have sex until she's married? FFS!

We went to Morocco recently and had a tour.

The guide told us that alcohol is not banned in Islam but that it is something to do with lack of control and drinking of alcohol may lead to lack of control hence the 'No alcohol' rule/interpetation.

No idea what religion he was.

I have a self-imposed Zero tolerance level for alcohol when driving. The law may allow me to have a (small) glass of wine but I don't want to risk any consequence - the guilt if I had one drink then an accident. Even if I were under the limit I might spend the rest of my life wondering if it would have been idfferent had I not had that drink. Perhaps this is a comparable situation?

This thread (well the first half - I got fed up of reading tbh) is full of comments that tbh just add to the reasons why I will remain 'chaste' until I get married again.

If the opportunity never arises then fine Ill be chaste till the day I die. Im not bothered. Im not frigid I just have principles that I believe in.

I fully intend to teach my kids about chastity before marriage. Im also planning on getting them chastity rings (although not SRT its too commercialised)

knock me down with a spade or a feather if you must but chastity before marriage is a good thing!!!

Yes I thought the jilbab girl was a silly posturing teenager as well.

That's what teenagers do.

I imagine it's more the safety issue rather than the moral one which is relevant here as wasn't there something a while ago about a young student who had a finger ripped off after they got their ring caught in some equipment?

Personally, it makes a change to see a teenage girl promoting chastity but in this instance I don't think she has an argument.

my daughter somehow in conversation ( as you do) mentioned that she will remain a virgin until she's 21
"darling" said i " thats far to long - think of all the pure sex on legs at university"

i think sh wan'ts me to be more trditional.

sex before marriage was necessary historically becuase of how society was, now it is not necessary, nore it is nescessary to remain chastem nor is it necessary to promote sexual behaiour as something immoral. in act i am convinced thats how seral killers start. so raise your children not to be serial killers and promote safe healthy sex

Thing is MrsMarvel is that we do allow superstition into state schools, indeed they are under a legal obligation to promote it.
Faith schools are allowed to discriminate in a way that isn't allowed in any other field.

The school in question has taken religious authority upon itself to decide what is "acceptable" religion.

As for the risk, this is just sill and spurious claims of "safety" are often just excuses for bullying by corporate bodies.

MN has a lot of married women, many of whom have worn rings for decades. Do they live in fear from the deathtrap on their fingers ?

That's so silly that I am certain that the BBC "science" teams will run several programmes on it.

DOn't tell your kids to stay chaste! DOn't give them abstinence based education it's disastrous, unethical and stupid! Give them sensible judgement free information when they ask for it and they'll conduct themselves sensibly. It's the poor little sods who've been browbeaten by the abstinence nutters who end up getting pissed and losing their cherries in a drunken haze, without contraception - or they have loads of unsatisfactory bumsex (because abstinence teaching is so stupid that it tells them 'sex' is only about penis in vagina and if you don't do that you're still a virgin).

Interesting take on this case, which doesn't appear to have been publicised, here:

truth about the Silver Bling thing

Hmmm - conflict of interest, anyone??

I physically winced at "I didn?t want them to think that they had won. You can?t treat Christians like this." (So you can treat godless heathens any way you like, then.)

Having said all that, I wouldn't exactly be heartbroken if my daughter decided to stay celibate until her wedding, or at least until she had found the guy she thought she was going to marry. (That's the odd thing about abstinence - people say it doesn't work, but it depends how you define "work", I suppose...)It's not going to happen, though, I can tell!!

Thanks for the link, UQD. We weren't gung-ho about specifically doing 'the silver ring thing' with our kidlets anyway, but that pretty much underlines a lot of our concerns with it anyway.

godless heathens dont count.

Sadly a lot of people seem to think that's true.

Nothing wrong with being taught to respect yourself and not jump into bed with the first guy that looks your way at the school disco, but 'the silver ring thing' just sounds too Britney Spears - chastity as a fad until you get bored of it, and a license to ignore sensible birth control advice.