School bans skirts from uniform

[roisin]

I approve of this news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/6712981.stm

At our school girls wear skirts so short you can see their knickers when they are sitting down, or walking upstairs infront of you.

cylonbabe

I have no idea how to tie a tie

thank the living loving lord

Think they are ridiculous to the nth degree for kids

Agree Enid, i hate ties for kids, and blazers - totally impractical and inapropriate for school

the more expensive the school, the more absurd the uniform

still some people love all that crap so there you go

I like uniform - easier for me! - but I like SIMPLE uniform - navy skirt, white polo shirt, simple sweatshirt or cardigan, checked dress in summer. Straightforward, cheap and quite chic.

Mine have just that sort of uniform, and I dislike it! The school is excellent, but the uniform is knobtastic for the little ones. I quite like it on the older senior kids.

are you my dh? he is the only other person I've heard the word knobtastic ! only he uses it to mean something great [hmmm]

Whatever happened to freedom of choice. If a school banned trousers for girls there would be uproar!

they have the sort of uniform i describe mb? whats not to like?

no, no, they have the first uniform you described! The poncy one with the tie and the blazer (which is utterly hideous)

I wish they had a plain uniform.

But the school is excellent. The uniform just makes them look like a bunch of nerds with a 'despise me for being middle class' sticker on the back of them!

I love the uniform. It's good to get used to jackets and ties. Makes you find it easier to get into the workforce appropriately dressed etc and they look cute in shorts in the snow too. Good for the knees.

We had really horendous dresses at secondary school. Like a tube with no shape or style or anything. They were light blue with thin pink, white and brown stripes!!! You think I'm joking? I still have nightmares. The point is, there was no way to improve them at all. You could wear a belt but were told off if you 'bagged' your dress over to make them shorter, which made them look even worse!!! Any uniform is better than that!

The year I left they changed it to white polo shirts and black culottes (sp?) That stopped the deliberate shortening.

Makes it easier to get into the workforce? I am sure I could probably learn to put a suit and tie on quite quickly, even without the benefit of private education

shorts in the snow is tantamount to child abuse imo

have never understood it

Oh come on Enid. Short trousers is hardly child-abuse! My father didn't wear long trousers at all ever until he was 14!

I always have 2 or 3 layers on, but my boys usually run around just in T-shirts unless it's raining - and that's oop North. They don't melt!

well there you go - full backing for the school rules

To me, it doesn't matter whether it's a daft rule, they have decided that this is best for their school and that should be the end of it. Once parents stop backing the school on things as basic as dress they're in trouble.

You'd have thought mothers of daughters would welcome this. Let's face it, girls have plenty of opportunity to show their bum cheeks if they so wish, but in their own time.

I also make sure that the school uniform is worn properly, even though I personlly hate it. I chose the school, I have to re-inforce its rules

at my comp, we had to beg to wear trousers. Funny, how times change, eh?

jools, welcoming this measure assumes that all girls who wear short skirts are tarts, and that to dress like a man is the be all and end all of school discipline.

Ok roisin maybe not child abuse but I don't get it. I mean, why would you insist your son wears shorts when the weather is freezing. One litlte boy at dd1s school wears them all year round and he stood chatting to me in the playground with teeth chattering, purple lips and knees last winter. I mean, he didn't seem to mind poor lamb but why on earth wouldnt you put trousers on them for a few weeks a year? The dds wear skirts but at least they get woolly tights.

(shorts are not compulsory btw)

To be fair enid, we don't know how much effort the school put into trying to get the girls to wear their skirts properly.

There comes a point where the staff spend an inordinate amount of time enforcing a particular rule that is out of propertion to its benefit.

They may well have thought that an easier solution would be to change the uniform to a style that is harder to 'abuse'

I agree that kids need to push the boundaries, but if a rule is being ignored in a wholesale way, they school may need to re-think its policy.

Wearing a short skirt doesn't make a girl a tart, but it isn't condusive to good concentration in the classroom either. This is being done for the most simple of reasons, to attract the opposite sex (or same sex if the girls are lesbians). Nothing abonormal or worng in that. But I'd rather have the kids in my classes concentrating on somethinmg other than sex/. Unless we are actually learning about sex at the time

They seem to survive at my boy's school. They get into trousers at school, I think, when they're about 10 or 11.

The interesting issue is whether we want to desexualise girls in their teens - that freedom v constriction argument. Some schools have very very long skirts for girls deliberately. Many girls locally cover their heads etc at school even at top of primary school level.

Is the modesty a freedom or is Islamic, orthodox Jewish and indeed traditional Christian dress a lack of freedom? Is the right of a 14 year old who can give birth and indeed marry in some US states and other countries to show off their sexuality their right or something we want to control etc.

Enid - I think that's a bit of leap tbh I don't think tarts are mentioned anywhere.

and what mb said ....

there are plenty of girls out there who wear very short skirts to school and no knickers. I kid you not. Trousers are a good idea IMO.

skirts can be more comfy during af imho - but perhaps not for these teenagers.

just read donnie's post - skirts below the knee!!