Two Dunblanes a day? Did that really need saying?

[Chirpygirl]

I might regret posting this but although I am anti-abortion for myself, I am pro-choice, I think for some women it is something that is needed and the Cardinal's comments have gone way over the top and more people will be devestated by his comments than supportive.
I know Catholics are anti-abortion, who doesn't? But sometimes I think they could be a little more restrained.

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Woteva.

I think the Dunblane comment is totally insensitive to the Dumblane parents, and if he had much sense he would have realisesd that and found a better simile.

But what hw was trying to illustrate was that fact that to many catholics, and others, abortion is seen as the murder of a child and the taking of another human life.

That view in itself is very offensive to many people, but I think it needs to be said.

Is he really the best spokesperson the church can come up though.

smallwhitecat, that's a good point but I don't think it is so much as being a Catholic as being the spokesperson for the church in Scotland. Any leading cleric saying something like this would piss me off.

The reason I made a point of the Catholic thing is that we all know that Catholics are anti-abortion, it's not as if that was news to anybody.

Poor wee ones in Dunblane .

I can't help thinking of that poor man whose only child was murdered there after his wife, her mother, had died, too.

Methinks the good Cardinal will be shitting his pants this weekend

Prick.

I think he's got the right to express himself however he wants tbh. He's deliberately chosen a shocking event to try and equate abortion with that level of shock.

You either agree with him or you don't, but I don't really think he should go in for self-censorship.

I don't agree with him btw I'm militantly in favour of women being in control of their own bodies.

I think you should all be excommunicated.

Outraged, it's not so much his views that I was shocked by, it was totally how he stated it, Dunblane should never have come into it and he shoudl be given a public bollocking because of it.

"We're all very used to kicking the Catholic Church"
I'm not actually.
But on this particular occasion I think something should be done to ensure that the individuals who make such incredibly thoughtless comments are held to account.

Ooh, expat, really? so it would be official that I don't have to go to church? count me in....

When I was about 15 I wanted to write to the pope to ask him to excommunicate me

Where's DominiConnor?

There's freedom of speech and religious expression, and there is saying something deliberately to cause upset and get publicity.

He shouldn't have used the first to excuse the second.

I don't know smallwhitecat, and didn't really think that through before I typed it....but still, if there were anyone who could, they should IYSWIM.

I'll kick the catholic church until it starts kicking itself into touch. Whilst i appreciate its views, the manner in which it conducts itself at times and campaigns for these things are ill advised and inappropriate. In this day and age the catholic church is very out of touch with what our global community needs and some deranged old man comparing the massacre of a group of children to abortion is not helping their case.

Oh Expat, it won't be long...

Catholic church entitled to hold and publicise their beliefs in free society etc. What frightens me is the desire to inflict such beliefs on everybody else by seeking changes in legislation by pressurising politicians.

And the Dunblane comment just crass.

He didn't just say 'I hate abortion' though, he was making a point about Catholic politicians - effectively saying they should act to impose church policy. Wrong, wrong, wrong and fundamentally undemocractic.

This is the idiot who said sex education was child abuse, though. Which was rather crass given the number of priests who are guilty of actual abuse (and who were protected by the church).

Chirpygirl I agree the Dunblane reference was crass.

The Church views abortion as taking a childs life.

He should have illustrated that without dragging the horrific events of Dunblane into it, for the sake of all those involved.

He said sex education is child abuse?

Sex education comment was on a previous occasion. Bizarre logic, don't tell people how to avoid pregnancy and then act surprised when people have abortions...

Outraged, he's entitled to his own views, but not to seek to put pressure on politicians to act in favour of his own special interest group.