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[TheWizardofWas]

Abolishing the Royal Family. Discuss

That's a bit of a rude way to start a thread. As it happens I agree with you but no I am not going to 'discuss' at your command. Why don't you lay out your own thoughts?

I'm a republican, so I agree in principle, but the practicalities of 'abolishing' the Royal Family aren't straightforward. A first step would be to reduce the number of Royals on the Civil List - perhaps to those directly in line to the throne and their spouses and dependents up to the age of 18 only. This would mean at present the Queen, D.of.E., Charles, Camilla, William, Catherine, George, Charlotte and Louis only. Charlotte and Louis would cease to receive state funding when they attained their majority.

No.

Well you haven't discussed, so why should we?

Social justice, presuming you mean equality isn’t going to be helped by deleting one family.

However that family brings a shit tonne of tourism and international interest so I’m fine with it.

Abolishing the Royal Family ... yeah, because they are the only people with more money than you. I'd start with over-paid and under-motivated footballers, a few Russian oligarchs, lefty-sounding types who seem to magically become millionaires when they leave politics.
We should follow the American example. They don't have royalty and they have excellent social justice

I'd start with over-paid and under-motivated footballers

That one is within the public's gift already. If people stopped buying Sky Sports subscriptions, football tickets and merchandise, there would be no more overpaid footballers. Overpaid footballers are a by-product of public obsession with football, not an example of social injustice.

For me they are an embodiment of or a symbol of privilege and I am utter flabbergasted that somebody could believe it at all fitting to use royalty as a platform for calls for social justice. It makes no sense. Sorry for not posting my own thoughts. I was just so bamboozled on hearing the headline and had a WTF moment. And they are not just a symbol, in the sense that they are also major capitalists. It is not just tax money they receive.

It's not just the royal family though. I can't remember the statistics but a staggering proportion of wealth and property in the UK is in the hands of the direct descendants of the norman nobles who came over with William the conqueror.

I find it staggering that there isn't more concern for the children of the royal family. George, Charlotte and Louis have no choice but to be prince/princess. Their cage may be golden and full of luxury but they have no freedom.

I find it equally staggering that it just seems accepted that the vast majority of those in power not just in politics but also in commerce, law and so many other fields are the children of inherited wealth. We are not a democracy - we are an oligarchy albeit by the consent of the people because the ignorant masses vote according to the lies they swallow from the press which is owned by oligarchs.

It's sickening.

Imch how would you set about removing those with inherited wealth from the fields of commerce and law?
If someone inherits a business - which is what I presume you mean by inherited wealth in commerce - and they aren't up to running it then the company will decline pretty quickly.

Hey I'm a physicist, not a genius socialist economist who can come up with a new paradigm for society that genuinely provides freedom and equitability for all. Just pointing out that abolishing the royal family wouldn't really help without complete social revolution. There's too much bread and circuses for that to ever happen. A genuinely fair and just society is therefore out of reach.

Nope. Silly - they would still be there, still be royal, still own all their property and grounds, just keep all their money instead of handing it to the treasury and we'd actually end up worse off

www.thecrownestate.co.uk/our-business/financial-information/

Thewizard - is that your solution to getting rid of the monarchy?
Wow - I hope I never cross you in rl.
There are loads of other very rich people in the U.K. - are they also all for the chop in your brave new world?

You can't just abolish an entire family! Kids, babies, elderly relatives? Abolish?

Wizard - who would go to the guillotine first? The children maybe, so you could enjoy seeing their parents faces? Or the adults - to ensure the children's last moments on earth were really brutal?

Is that you Jeremy Corbyn?

Well this thread didn't amount to much did it!?

Runmummy - no, and the op has declined to answer further questions on her plan to abolish the monarchy..........

Just referring to history and how other states have dealt with their monarchy. Mind your the Tzars were shot.

I completely agree OP.

I watched the royal wedding this weekend as I had a feeling it would be interesting. Listening to Bishop Curry's address to all the mega rich and powerful people in that church about how no child should go to bed hungry and about how it doesn't need to be like that; I couldn't help wondering if any of them were actually listening or caring about what he said, since most of them claim to be religious. What are all the rich and powerful people going to do about it? They are the ones that can do something. I would be embarrassed to have that much money and power and not share it.

We need a much more equal society, it starts by dismantling the hierarchy surely?

Namechanger - neither Russia nor America for example have monarchies. There is no equality in either of those countries. How do you suggest they dismantle their heirarchy?

It doesn't matter if it's the monarchy or rich business men or oligarchs; when there is too much money and power in too few hands then that has to be bad for everyone and we should always challenge it.

You don't solve a problem like this by pointing the finger elsewhere, brushing it under the carpet or doing nothing about it. Everyone should be outraged - here in the UK, in America, in Russia, everywhere.

In this country the royal family are a symbol of our deeply unfair and unequal society. It's time they went.

So what are you doing about it namechanger?
Are you starting petitions to have the monarchy overthrown?
Organising demonstrations against the monarchy?