Poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal (part 2)

[OhYouBadBadKitten]

new thread as the old one is practically done.

Ahem. I'm sure counterpoint would like it noted that he hasn't been critical of Putin

But like many a UK scientist has felt (e.g. David Kelly), of course Boris&May may exercise their divine powers!

*We like divide and rule, don't we?

Well, you do.*

How is your reply in any way adding to our discussion?

Are you completely oblivious to the world-renown maxim of Britain's divide and rule policy? I didn't patent it.

*they are well ahead in developing powerful nerve agents?

This rather undermines your argument that it can't be Russia because other countries have Novichok too...*

Why did you carefully snip off the bit with relevance to this thread?

There's the irony!

On the one hand we don't want to admit an inferior position and yet we can not accept there are superior, progressive scientist that we can not recruit! Hence this thread.

Sorry about the multiple posts. Short bursts between work and cooking etc

It's not us that need to see the evidence though Counterpoint - it isn't trial by internet.

Counterpoint

No need to apologise for the short bursts. Your long bursts don’t make any sense either

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43755789

Report that Yulias email was targeted by Russians.

The OPCW took samples more than two weeks after the event. In these circumstances, what does absence of impurities mean? It can't mean absence of impurities from the environment, surely, after all that time? It might mean absence of a carrier chemical for two reasons, either they mean pure other than the presence of a carrier which we did detect, or it might mean what it means if taken at face value, that no carrier was detected. Or it might mean absence of side-products created during synthesis. Or it might mean absence of products of degradation after synthesis.

It's curious that it is given such prominence in the report. OPCW code for, we won't be able to senday who made it, either?

say who made it ... apologies.

No need to apologise for the short bursts. Your long bursts don’t make any sense either

Hope that means you will stop spamming all my posts.

It's not us that need to see the evidence though Counterpoint - it isn't trial by internet.

What doe this even mean?

Do you even care what out leaders say and what they take us into at all?

Bit rich (hmm) coming from the very person who started an Internet thread ...

I note the Russians are now claiming that the UK are responsible for the chemical attack in Syria. I for one am convinced. I believe it has all been orchestrated by Lord Lucan and Shegar

Absence of impurities means that it has been made in a high grade lab. The substance is very pure.

If it is code for something, could it just be referring to how and where it was made.

High purity might just mean it was manufactured by somebody who knows what they were doing and with the environment/equipment/procedures to prevent cross contamination from other stuff. I.e, a lab.

I’d guess it also suggests that it wasn’t mixed with something that the Skirpals were meant to ingest so direct contact was the intended route of administering it.

X posts with OYBBK.

"11. The TAV team notes that the toxic chemical was of high purity. The latter is concluded from the ALMOST complete absence of impurities. "

I wonder if there being so few impurities it actually makes it easier to identify origin?

So few impurities, it couldn't have come from very far.

you aren't a scientist are you counterpoint?

Can transporting it from Russia, or over a long distance cause it to be contaminated? Or does it mean it was made close to use?

I asked this further up thread. Does anyone know.

no. They are talking about the chemical composition of it - how purely it was made. ie, it's not homecooked in an amateurs lab.

The chances of dying while trying to produce a nerve agent in an amuteur lab probably make the paragraph unnecessary.

I’m not sure it’s ever been a credible theory other than online.

No I get its pure. I am thinking does it deteriorate or pick up contaminants over time. Like a freshly mixed vaccine or syringe driver has a “ use within” time. I’m trying to find out how strongly the purity links it to an either distant or far flung lab.

Beacause the chemical composition would change with contaminants?? Sorry, as you can guess I’m not a scientist but trying to understand

Can transporting it from Russia, or over a long distance cause it to be contaminated?
If the samples they analysed had truly come from the sources they found in Salisbury, ie the streets, the door, the people - then you would expect contaminants to be found in the samples. Contaminants are all around us, of course, and any genuine sample that had been 'used' will have picked up contaminants,
The fact OPCW has found the samples to be pure suggests they were analysing lab made, lab stored 'unused' agents.
In other words, this is not an analysis of what we were told has been distributed in our streets.
You can not distinguish, let's say, some contaminating NaCl found in the sample leftover from manufacture to that produced by human sweat.

In other words, the samples they analysed may have been the agent but this agent was not used.

All irrelevant now as this was the propaganda prelude to try and destroy Syria as I first mentioned some weeks ago when this was staged to allow the Turks to kill Kurds and from Teheran moment when we sold our 'friends', the Saudis, all those f@cjing weapons.

I'm ashamed of how easily my fellow humans were duped once again.

I'm saddened by how much our country relies on causing war.

God bless all those innocent people whose futures we are about to obliterate.

I am deeply sorry.