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If you think Corbyn has principles watch this.

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SoloD · 08/08/2017 10:23

The Sainted Jeremy was asked specifically if he condemned that is happening in Venezuela a country he and other Labour figures have praised extensively in the past.

He refused to actually condemn the government (something which has been done by all the neighboring states) and said instead "“What I condemn is the violence that’s been done by any side and all sides in this.”

This is what the government of Venezuela is doing right now. The government Corbyn refused to condemn. Judge for yourself if Jeremy was right not to condemn them. (Warning contains graphic footage of murder)

Verified by Humans Rights watch.

Contrast that to the bile he has towards Israel. IMHO Jez is happy to see war (Ukraine, Syria, Georgia, Sierra Leone, Kosovo et al), terrorism (Israel), or political violence and dictatorship (Cuba & Venezuela) as long as they people are anti the west & good socialists.

The man is sick.

Vent over.

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Soci · 08/08/2017 12:30

So he condemns violence from all sides and you take it that he supports violence from one side?

BertrandRussell · 08/08/2017 12:32

So condemning violence from all sides means he has no principles. Okaaaaaay.

PortiaCastis · 08/08/2017 12:34

I also condemn violence from anyone and I don't think that's a bad thing and no the man is not sick

BertrandRussell · 08/08/2017 12:35

"Contrast that to the bile he has towards Israel"

This is the key sentence from that whole post.

Lenl · 08/08/2017 12:40

Yes because anything other than hatred of Israel says it all Hmm Corbyn seems to be of the any-enemy-of-the-west-is-my-friend ilk. Appearing (paid appearance no less) on Iranian state TV is really quite unforgiveable. They broadcast hangings. He also bangs on about talking with people you disagree with... you'd think that would mean talking to Netanyahu's crazy government more often than Hezbollah since he disagrees more with him...

Have you read What's Left by Nick Cohen? More relevant now than ever.

prh47bridge · 08/08/2017 17:06

So condemning violence from all sides means he has no principles. Okaaaaaay.

Of course condemning violence from all sides sounds fair and principled but it ignores the reality of what is going on in Venezuela. It is a blatantly dishonest approach where a government is breaking its own laws and murdering and arresting its opponents, some of whom start shooting back.

kesstrel · 08/08/2017 21:05

As Corbyn himself said about a different situation:

If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor.

DancesWithOtters · 08/08/2017 21:06

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Lenl · 08/08/2017 21:31

Exactly kesstrel

SavourTheFlavour · 09/08/2017 22:40

Oh yes, Israel. The beacon of human rights with an impeccable record of non aggressive behaviour towards a caged nation.

TheaSaurass · 10/08/2017 14:24

SoloD

As you allude to, Mr Corbyn has spent his political life supporting international republican and/or revolutionary groups, including the late Venezuelan President Chavez (the current President Maduro’s mentor and predecessor), who first tried an unsuccessful coup in the early 1990’s, but on release from prison a few years later he founded a political party, and then took the Presidency ‘democratically’.

Indeed, around the time Chavez was trying to overthrow the Venezuelan regime, our ‘spooks’ thought they’d look into Mr Corbyn’s political activities, but that could have been more to do with his association with the old military wing of Sinn Fein around those times, attending numerous meetings, using one such event in 1988 to attack the Anglo-Irish Agreement, the precursor of the peace process.

“MI5 opened file on Jeremy Corbyn ‘to check if he was a terror threat’”

And regarding Israel, clearly Inviting Hamas and Hezbollah reps here and calling them ‘friends’, would raise more than a few security services eyebrows, as well.

Mr Corbyn (and Mr McDonnell) are proud of their ‘revolutionary’ pasts, as still support in one way or another many of those in past ‘struggles’ against an oppressor of sorts, as wasn’t that why the latter was recently trying to organise mass marches on Westminster to ‘overthrow’ the current government?

How often do you hear that as a political solution in non banana republics? Shock

Clearly you can take off a silly cap, trim down a beard, put on a pressed suit, white shirt, and red tie, but after 30-odd years, once an active revolutionary supporter, always a revolutionary supporter.

But I thought all that was the recent attraction.

Fresh8008 · 10/08/2017 16:49

Of course everyone supports world peace but he was asked specifically about the Venezuelan government and he gave a cowardly non answer, just like he would never condemn IRA violence, never mind Hamas and Hezbollah. We are so lucky he lost the election.

Corbyn is as fanatical in his quest to overthrown democracy as Trump and Kim Jung Un are to start a war.

SusannahL · 10/08/2017 17:12

Very very scary that we nearly got this horrible man as Prime Minister.

Another Corbyn nugget I read recently quoted him as saying he believed 'very strongly' in prison inmates being given the vote.

Words fail me!

Hopefully by the next GE those daft students who fell for his lies about banishing university fees, will have grown up a bit and will see him for the nasty incompetent man he is.

Lenl · 10/08/2017 19:50

People with the snarky comments about Israel. The op didn't even say their own opinion of Israel either way.

If you agree with Corbyn's views on Israel, surely that's even more reason to wonder why on earth he doesn't condemn the Venezuelan government? If Israel deserves to be criticised for human rights abuses, and Corbyn readily offers this criticism, why does not say the same about Maduro's human rights abuses?

He is inconsistent. To quote Christopher Hitchens (possibly a paraphrase) - one should always side with the victim. Corbyn sides with whichever side subscribes to his ideology. That this is perceived as proof of his higher morals baffles me.

Soci · 10/08/2017 20:28

Nah, condemning violence from all sides is still condemning violence from all sides. Why the fear though? I don't see how he is any worse or more incompetent than any other politician including the flipflopping May.

WhateverNextNow · 10/08/2017 20:41

Lenl, do you feel that Israel should not be criticised for its appalling track record on how it treats the Palestinians?

Lenl · 10/08/2017 20:52

I'm not saying Israel shouldn't be criticized. I'm saying if you criticize Israel for human rights abuses then surely you'd criticize Venezuela for human rights abuses too? It all boils down to shit treatment of humans. Yet Jeremy criticizes one and not the other.

Why saying this is conflated with loving Israel is beyond me.

prh47bridge · 11/08/2017 00:37

Nah, condemning violence from all sides is still condemning violence from all sides

So if one side is using machine guns with live ammunition whilst the other is throwing stones, you think condemning violence from all sides is a neutral response?

Valentine2 · 11/08/2017 00:47

Hopefully by the next GE those daft students who fell for his lies about banishing university fees, will have grown up a bit and will see him for the nasty incompetent man he is.

Hold my avocado.....

TheaSaurass · 11/08/2017 01:25

"Lenl, do you feel that Israel should not be criticised for its appalling track record on how it treats the Palestinians?"

If memory serves before the people of Palestine elected a then small terrorist organisation called Hamas (sworn to the total destruction of Israel) to politically represent them over Fatah, there were around 2003 unofficial meetings by both sides - in which I think became the Geneva Accord with small concessions by Israel - but once Hamas democratically came to power, all that e.g. giving back some territory, quickly faded away as now the larger the buffer zone, the more secure Israeli citizens felt.

I guess thinks weren't moving fast enough under a probably corrupt Fatah for the people of Palestine, but a no doubt equally corrupt and more bent on violent Hamas - are hardly the 'sit around a table' type any UK politician should cosy up to, never mind call 'friends' - as Israel is hardly likely to ever trust them, as they began to with Fatah in 2003.

Events have moved on, but until the Palestinian people chose a more moderate party to represent them, I can't see how Israel can ever change - especially as Iran is fighting a proxy war with Israel through the military hardware support of Hamas (and Hezbollah).

TheRollingCrone · 11/08/2017 01:39

What I really want the unprincipled, immoral fuck to do is stop selling weapons to the Saudis thus enabling them to bomb innocent men,women and children in the Yemen, how dare he go and shake the hands of the biggest exporters of hatred in the world in what is also the biggest womens open prison in the world, totally with you OP... Oh no wait...

Lenl · 11/08/2017 09:50

@TheaSauruss Flowers Absolutely

TheRollingCrone typical Corbynista response - the classic but but but what about argument. Means nothing. More than one person can be a twat. That others have questionable allegiances don't absolve Corbyn of his own. At best your argument is that he is the same as those you are talking about...

The other difference is no one is holding May up as lone beacon of morality in a sea of corrupt politicians. That's what makes Corbyn labour so sinister imo. Somehow he is viewed as this paragon of virtue, So different to the rest. When in reality he is another career politician from an extremely privileged background who supports despots and dictators.

sashh · 11/08/2017 10:02

Has he sold them weapons? Oh silly me that was TM with Saudi, weapons to be used in Syria I believe.

nursy1 · 11/08/2017 10:21

Theassauras. The Palestinians have elected moderate parties in the past there have been talks, talks about talks, peace processes etc etc going back as long as I can remember. ( about half a century). Israel will always do exactly as it wants with the backing of the US. It's an unequal situation and fuels much of the tension in the Middle East.
Hamas had a stronger voice so in the end they came into power. Much as Sein Fein

TheaSaurass · 11/08/2017 11:05

Corbyn since becoming an MP in the early 1980’s, he has never been in a position of any authority (thank god) where he has to THINK of the often global consequences, never mind the regional or local ones, of his clearly narrow minded ‘politics’ from way up there on his moral high horse.

Saudi Arabian arms sales isn’t just about the ‘trade’ and jobs a Corbyn government doesn’t think it will need to pay our public services bills, its about the wider conflict between Shia (headed by Iran) and Sunni (headed by Saudi Arabi) Muslims.

Iran are supporting the rebels in Yemen at the southern borders with Saudi Arabia, Iran has trying to cause problems with a Shia uprising in Bahrain for years on their Eastern border (attached by a Causeway) - and to the north, Iran has now politically and militarily consolidated itself within the Shia regimes in Syria and Iraq – so the last thing the Saudi’s, or a world relying on carbon energy needs, is a permanent Shia ‘front’ established by Iranian proxy, in the Yemen - with an end game of either toppling Saudi Arabia.

Overlay that with Russia’s dependence on its huge carbon energy reserves, its military alliance with Iran with its huge reserves (combined in gas is global share staggering) and how they are surrounding the Sunni Arab states, globally there is a much ‘bigger picture’ here (and elsewhere) that a silly man in a Trots hat would have to be aware of when leader of the UK.

Mr Corbyn (like most Trots) has never really liked the UK and for decades he has wanted to disarm us by taking away a Trident nuclear deterrent, and weaken our influences and efforts abroad like in the Middle East (and those of the Wests strategic friend’s like Israel & Saudi) , no wonder the Russians broke protocol and gave a huge ‘yay’ to his appointment.

Russian ambassador lavishes praise on Jeremy Corbyn over foreign policy

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