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Grenfell Tower The Aftermath Thread SIX.

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HelenaDove · 05/07/2017 19:46

I thought i would take the oppurtunity to start thread six as thread five is now coming to an end. Thanks Thanks to all those lost in the fire their survivors families friends and volunteers.

Link to thread five which also includes links to previous threads.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/in_the_news/2959251-London-Fire-Grenfell-Tower-thread-five?pg=1

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HelenaDove · 11/06/2018 23:50

On tonights BBC1 documentary Eddie Daffarn talked about how,, when he expressed concern about the boilers being put in in the entrance of the individual flats near the electrical fuse boxes.........he still remembers what he was told.

"Well if i was getting it for nothing i wouldnt be complaining"

He and other tenants also talked about the power surges including toasters blowing up and a tenant talked about losing two lamps in this way.

In a previous Guardian article ive linked another tenant thought she could smell gas on the night but then went into her kitchen and couldnt smell it any more.

The NHS Mental Health Services estimates £11000 ppl have been psychologically affected by the fire.

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HelenaDove · 12/06/2018 20:07

Some more info on tomorrow nights programme Before Grenfell A Hidden History.

www.radiotimes.com/news/2018-06-08/before-grenfell-a-hidden-history-bbc2-date-time-preview-history/

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HelenaDove · 13/06/2018 20:57

HelenaDove Wed 13-Jun-18 20:50:45

www.cfoi.org.uk/2018/06/parliament-to-debate-bill-that-would-bring-public-service-contractors-housing-associations-and-other-bodies-under-foi/
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HelenaDove Wed 13-Jun-18 20:51:48

The bill would also make housing associations subject to FOI. The problems caused by the current lack of any right of access to include:

54 out of 61 housing associations refused to supply their fire risk assessments to Inside Housing magazine in 2017. [3]
a tenant was refused information about the cause of a fire on their premises. [4]
a housing association refused to say whether potentially toxic lead pipes were used in the property’s water supply. [5]
another housing association refused to reveal the electricity bill which led a tenant to be charged £1,200 to cover the cost of 6 communal light bulbs. [6]

Other bodies that would be brought under the FOI Act by the bill include electoral registration officers, returning officers and Local Safeguarding Children Boards.

The bill would give the Information Commissioner new powers to obtain information from contractors when investigating complaints and make them subject to the offence applying to public authorities which deliberately destroy requested information to prevent its disclosure. It would also close a loophole which blocks such prosecutions unless they are brought within 6 months of the offence occurring.

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HelenaDove · 13/06/2018 22:23

With many Grenfell Tower survivors still displaced a year after the fire that killed 72 people, figures reveal millions being made from selloffs

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Sutton estate in central London
Owners want to rebuild Sutton estate in central London. Photograph: Martin Godwin for the Guardian

Housing associations have made at least £82.3m from auctioning homes in five London boroughs since 2013, according to figures seen by the Guardian. Analysis by the Labour MP for Westminster North, Karen Buck, shows that Westminster, Brent, Camden, Hammersmith and Fulham, and Kensington and Chelsea sold 153 properties at auction through Savills estate agents – with more than half in Westminster where sales totalled £36.4m. The true figures are likely to be much higher as the data only covers sales made by one agency. The auctions are part of a wider trend of some housing associations selling off social housing in expensive central London to fund new developments, which tenants say are unaffordable or far removed from their families, schools and work.

Buck says: “I’m dealing with a family who are statutorily overcrowded and in the highest medical priority and I haven’t been able to get them moved in over eight years. That’s because housing associations [in general] say they don’t have the stock in the area and yet they’re still selling off homes.

Nationally, sales of housing association social homes to the private sector have more than tripled since 2001, with 3,891 social homes sold in 2016. Overall, more than 150,000 homes for social rent have been lost since 2012.
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Bucks’ analysis shows that in Kensington and Chelsea housing associations made £5.3m from auctions in 2013 alone. Between 2013 and 2018, Brent sold £20.9m, and Hammersmith and Fulham £13.7m.

Although most auction lots do not state the housing association selling the property, Buck has identified many homes as stock of Genesis and Notting Hill Housing, which merged in April . Notting Hill Genesis manages 65,000 homes. A spokesman says before the merger, the two associations sold 497 homes between them in the past five years, using the proceeds to build more homes in less expensive areas in and outside London. Of these, 49 were auctioned last year, raising £19.7m, but the merged housing association “will limit sales to no more than 20 per year”.
The selloffs are fuelling overcrowding and homelessness, and undermining efforts to tackle the housing crisis, experts say. “They’re buying and leasing homes all over London as temporary accommodation yet housing association homes within these boroughs are being sold off,” says Steve Hilditch, former head of policy for Shelter and a housing adviser to the last Labour government.

Meanwhile, other housing associations are redeveloping their stock. In Kensington and Chelsea, local residents and the council have warned a public inquiry that backing plans to redevelop the Sutton estate, near the King’s Road, would give housing associations across the country carte blanche to not update social housing and replace it with private homes, which risks pushing thousands of tenants into temporary accommodation or homelessness. England’s largest housing association, Clarion Group, wants to demolish the red-brick Edwardian mansion block estate. The plans have fomented debate over the provision of social housing in Kensington and Chelsea, a year after the Grenfell fire in the north of the borough. Although there are around 200 vacant flats on the Sutton estate, many survivors are still living in temporary accommodation. Clarion has said the empty homes were not fit to be let.
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Campaigners argue that if Clarion had better maintained the estate they could have provided more suitable permanent accommodation for Grenfell survivors. But Kensington and Chelsea council has also come under fire for failing to house enough people made homeless after the fire.

A spokesman for the council says it has spent £235m on securing 307 properties to help rehouse people affected by the fire. Of the 203 households requiring rehousing, 134 have a new permanent home, while 52 are in temporary and 15 in emergency accommodation.

But a report published this week by the North Kensington law centre, says many homes lay unoccupied for months due to damp, disrepair and access issues. Labour MP for Kensington and Chelsea, Emma Dent Coad, says: “We have heard they [the council] are reselling some of the properties bought in haste last summer,” she adds. “We have 30 [Grenfell] households including at least one person with disabilities, and only three homes with disabled access – and it seems these may not be of the right size.”

The planning inspectorate is due to submit a report on the Sutton estate inquiry to James Brokenshire, secretary of state for housing, communities and local government, in late August. The minister is expected to make a decision on Clarion’s appeal by the end of the year.
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says if the appeal is successful “it opens the floodgates to privatise social housing”. “This is a test case for social housing across the UK because if Clarion are allowed to do this, every other housing association will do the same. They’re a housing charity fighting to privatise charitable housing.” Kim Taylor-Smith, deputy council leader and lead member for Grenfell and housing, agrees. “It’s my view that Clarion’s intent from day one was to make money from the Sutton estate,” he says. “But William Sutton’s motivation was to provide homes for the poor. I would hope that they remember that.”
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Clarion has also last month submitted a revised regeneration scheme for the Sutton estate to the public inquiry, which the council accepts would not lead to a loss in social housing. But it has not withdrawn the original scheme and both will be assessed by the planning inspectorate. “We remain committed to the regeneration of the Sutton estate and to providing our current and future residents there with good quality homes,” says a spokeswoman. “No further decisions will be made until the outcome of the appeal is known.”

But Clarion told the public inquiry that if its appeal against the planning decision is rejected, it would rent out the empty flats privately, noting that it had already rented out three of them, or would sell off the whole estate. The housing association adds that the empty flats cannot feasibly be renovated and re-let as social housing because they do not meet the government’s minimum standards for public housing.

“They’re claiming they can’t refurbish them as social homes but they have refurbished and let three properties out privately for £1,800 [each] a month,” Henderson says. “Grenfell survivors have told us they would like to live here because they don’t want to live near the tower again.

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HelenaDove · 14/06/2018 00:54

12.54am One year on Thanks Thanks Thanks

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HelenaDove · 14/06/2018 01:54

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A memorial wall for victims of the Grenfell Tower fire near Ladbroke Grove, west London.
A memorial wall for victims of the Grenfell Tower fire near Ladbroke Grove, west London. Photograph: Ben Stansall/AFP/Getty Images

A year ago we witnessed Britain’s deadliest fire in living memory. The morning after, we learned that warnings about fire safety from residents had been ignored. Later we heard about the safety failures at national and local level, and companies hawking unsafe building materials unchecked.

After Grenfell, many argued that the atrocity should signal a turning point in housing policy. We have yet to see this turning point. We hear that cladding like that used at Grenfell will not be banned. Indeed, it took 11 months for Theresa May to commit £400m to remove existing cladding from tower blocks. Even this modest and long overdue announcement was revealed as a sham: the £400m was to be pinched from affordable housing budgets. It is scandalous that a year on from this tragedy, politicians are whittling down public housing budgets and failing to take action to keep residents safe.

This political disregard for social tenants is rooted in state disinvestment from public housing, and unaccountable private interests taking over the building and management of social housing. Our estates are being run down and demolished while public assets are sold off. Meanwhile 80% of new homes built in London are affordable only to the richest 8% of the city.

The mayor of London is to enforce ballots on some estates facing “regeneration”. This is a start – but we need political will at all levels to ensure that development benefits tenants first, and that what gets built locally meets local needs.
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A tragedy like Grenfell must never happen again. We need public investment in safe, decent public housing that is affordable for everyone. We want a housing system where tenants are listened to. And we need housing policy driven by public interest, not by the market.

Katya Nasim Radical Housing Network
Dr Faiza Shaheen Director of CLASS
Doug Thorpe StopHDV Campaign
Emma Dent Coad Labour MP for Kensington
Sian Berry Green party London assembly member
Piers and Tanya Thompson Save Our Silchester
Richard Chute Chair, Earls Court Tenants’ Association
Joe Beswick Head of Housing and Land, New Economics Foundation
Eileen Short Chair, Defend Council Housing
Pilgrim Tucker Community Organiser
Dawn Foster Journalist
Cllr Jonathan Bartley Co-leader, Green party
Jean Lambert Green party MEP for London
Susan Pashkoff Chair, East London Unite Community
Martin Goodsell Secretary, East London Unite Community
Rachael Hookaway GMB Young London
Professor Danny Dorling Author of All that is Solid: The Great Housing Disaster, University of Oxford
Anna Minton Author of Big Capital: Who is London for?, Reader in Architecture, University of East London
Dr David Madden Author of In Defense of Housing: The Politics of Crisis, London School of Economics
Samir Jeraj Author of The Rent Trap
Dr Sally Zlotowitz Clinical and community psychologist, Housing and Mental Health Network
Sabtir Singh Chief executive, Joint Council for the Welfare of Immigrants
Sahaya Guthrie Stop the Elephant Development
Danielle Gregory and Hannan Majid Ledbury Action Group
Pauline Wamunyu Save Reginald House and Tidemill
Jacqueline Utley Achilles Stop and Listen Campaign
Lucy Butler Deptford People Project
Heather Gilmore No Social Cleansing in Lewisham
Luciana Duailibe Chair, Co-oPepys Community Arts Project
Bill Perry Lambeth Housing Activists
Potent Whisper Our Brixton
Amina Gichinga London Renters Union
Anne Cooper Save Cressingham Campaign
Andy Thornes Crossfields Residents Association Secretary
Anuj Vats Citiscape Residents Association
Aysen Dennis Fight 4 Aylesbury
Simon Hannah and Ruth Cashman Joint branch secretaries, Lambeth Unison
Sonia Mckenzie Chair of the Fred Wigg and John Walsh Towers Tenants and Residents Association
Terry Harper Millbank Residents Association
Uzoamaka Okafor Chair, Myatts Field North Residents Association and PFI Monitoring Board
Dr Vickie Cooper Open University
Dr Debbie Humphry Kingston University
Dr Stuart Hodkinson University of Leeds
Dr Nicholas Falk Urbed Trust
Michael Edwards Hon professor, UCL (Bartlett School of Planning)
Ben Beach Concrete Action
John Hamilton Lewisham People Before Profit
Heather Kennedy Digs (Hackney Renters)
Sophie Morley Architecture Sans Frontières UK
Tom Wilkinson Architectural Review
Hannah Sheerin President, Cambridge University Architecture Society
Liza Fior MUF architecture/art
Douglas Murphy Writer, RCA/CSM
Elizabeth Wilbraham Workers Inquiry: Architecture (Architectural Workers Union)
Charlotte Grace Novara Media
Andrea Luka Zimmerman and David Roberts Film directors of The Estate We’re In
Paul Sng Film director of Dispossession"

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HelenaDove · 14/06/2018 02:28

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HelenaDove · 15/06/2018 02:21

Two emergency chiefs who supported Grenfell survivors in the days following the disaster have spoken out for the first time about the chaos of the relief operation following the fire and the failures to learn lessons from it.

Rupinder Hardy and Philip Lee-Morris, managers at Ealing council at the time of the fire, were drafted in as part of the Pan-London Emergency Response in the days after the disaster, when it became clear that the response from Kensington and Chelsea council (RBKC) was inadequate. They have not been called to give evidence at the public inquiry into the disaster.
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Lee-Morris said: “Learning opportunities are being disregarded for fear of further reputational damage to the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea.”

Hardy, Lee-Morris and their team were drafted in three days after the fire. Both were part of a 200-strong team from Ealing and took over responsibility for the Westway sports and fitness centre, which had been turned into an emergency rest centre for residents displaced by the fire.

When Hardy and Lee-Morris arrived at the rest centre just before 7am on Saturday 17 June last year, about 27 people were sleeping there.

“It was chaotic,” said Hardy. “There appeared to be lack of overall leadership. Standard response procedures should have been implemented, but we couldn’t see any sign of that. So over the course of the weekend we established an operation which started to meet the urgent needs of those affected, from access to donations and services such as housing to NHS support, legal advice and financial aid.
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“What was needed was strong, compassionate and empathetic decision-making that had survivors at its core,” Hardy continued. “The volunteers were doing everything to support the survivors and the community. Together we wanted to turn this from an area of conflict and mistrust into a rest centre survivors would want to come to and where we could meet people’s needs.

“Things like getting outdoor tables and chairs set up for the iftar meal so Muslim residents could break their fast together during Ramadan, helped to build trust.”

The decision to change the management from one borough to another is without precedent in this kind of crisis. In the space of 12 hours the Ealing council team drew up a detailed internal document entitled Grenfell Assistance Centre, Standard Operating Procedure, a document that under normal circumstances would have taken months to put together.
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It had to be done so hastily because there was no existing emergency plan in place to deal with the immediate aftermath of a disaster on such a scale. The document was the blueprint used by other local authorities who subsequently took control of the centre on a rotational basis after Ealing left.

Hardy was later seconded to RBKC for several months to work with Grenfell survivors and residents. She said she had sent her report on lessons learned from managing the immediate aftermath of the disaster and providing meaningful support to survivors many times to officials at RBKC but had received no response.

Loubna Aghzafi, a key community volunteer who supported survivors, said: “After so many broken promises, a year on I don’t believe the various entities have learned from their mistakes.”
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The survivors’ distress and grief was compounded by what they saw initially at Westway: lots of police tape around the rest centre making it look like a crime scene, along with police riot vans parked outside. Hardy and Lee-Morris asked the police to move both to make the centre look less threatening and more welcoming.

Lee-Morris overheard one official saying to a survivor trying to enter the rest centre, still wearing the burned clothes in which he had escaped from the fire: “What proof do you have that you’re a resident?”

He intervened saying: “Isn’t a charred T-shirt enough evidence?”

Aghzafi had collected donations and was helping to sort them in the street with hundreds of volunteers. “On day one when the tower was still burning, I took some donations and ended up at the Westway,” she said. “I attended one of the RBKC briefings that night and asked officials if they had anyone who spoke the languages that many people in the tower and the community spoke. When people are traumatised, they want to speak in their first language.

“The main reason I stuck around was because I could see how the bereaved, survivors and overall community were being treated. It was as if RBKC and central government had gone into complete shock and didn’t know how to handle this. As a result, the community and the volunteers dictated the initial emergency response. There was zero communication, zero empathy, no process and no procedures to deal with such a tragedy.

“I remember vividly begging one of the politicians to help bereaved families get news from hospitals about the missing and avoid them having to run around town with no news being shared. The bereaved and survivors were not cocooned – that should have been the role of the state.”
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Hardy and Lee-Morris said they did not see any previous situation reports recorded during the first three days. They began recording everything in twice-daily situation reports dealing with everything from low-key visits by singers Adele and Marcus Mumford to ordering sofas so survivors could relax inside the rest centre, and getting rubbish cleared. Officials from five different government departments arrived at the rest centre along with senior members of the royal family and local government officials.

There were rumours of a “rage” march and briefings seen by the Guardian at the time warned of anger among survivors on 21 June as tensions in the community mounted.

One family insisted on being rehoused together. The case was flagged as “politically/reputational sensitive” while another had been told to return to their home near Grenfell Tower despite witnessing the whole fire and some bodies falling from the tower. Some staff from RBKC were noted as “still abrupt with victims and volunteers”.

Lee-Morris said: “Residents were not treated as if they were the most important people but as a temporary irritation.”

He said that some hotels refused to take in survivors even when they still had vacancies. “One hotel manager said to me: ‘How many more of these people are we going to have in here?’”

Hardy said: “I hope that something like this will never happen again. But if it does I would certainly volunteer my time again. I couldn’t do anything to take away the pain, loss and suffering of the tower fire tragedy from people, but I did what I could to offer comfort and to help when people needed us most. We couldn’t reach everyone, but we did our utmost to help those that came to Westway.”

Aghzafi echoed her sentiments. Despite her reservations about the response of RBKC and central government she praised the response of the community and ordinary people.

“I saw the best and the worst of humanity. There was an outpouring of love for this community, a community who had to fight for so much before the fire and after it. I think history will remember most the community response, the ordinary people from all over London and other parts of the country who ran to the area to offer support.

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HelenaDove · 15/06/2018 20:44

graziadaily.co.uk/life/real-life/kindness-got-me-through-after-grenfell/

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HelenaDove · 17/06/2018 16:22

Grenfell estate residents being forced out of council tenancies.

docs.google.com/document/d/1egVmVfp_CE5wL0Dl_ffrs7r2ZJxr4fc3QC0_fAjY364/mobilebasic

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HelenaDove · 18/06/2018 17:36

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Dr Lane tells #GrenfellInquiry the new gas pipe put into tower in refurbishment had
incomplete compartmentation & ventilation works on night of fire - the pipe also went through staircase area - while the regs say a gas pipe shouldn’t be in a protective stairwell.

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HelenaDove · 20/06/2018 01:19

The LRB has published a couple of letters highly critical of O Hagens piece including someone featured in the piece who feels she was lied to and his condescending reply.

www.lrb.co.uk/v40/n12/letters

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HelenaDove · 22/06/2018 01:15

www.insidehousing.co.uk/news/grenfell-council-was-warned-about-gaps-in-windows-by-resident-of-flat-where-fire-began-56882

In the witness statement given by Behailu Kebede, in whose flat the fire started, he revealed that he had complained about his windows not long before the fire.

As part of the 2012/16 refurbishment of Grenfell Tower, new windows were installed in every flat.

According to the report submitted to the inquiry by Professor Luke Bisby, an expert witness, gaps in these windows allowed the fire to spread from the kitchen where it started onto the cladding and then up the side of the building.

In Mr Kebede’s statement, he said: “The double glazed windows caused problems too, as they had not been correctly fitted. There were gaps in between the windows and frames. Air was entering my flat through these gaps.

“I made a direct complaint to the builders regarding this. The council sent in contractors, who, I believe, put sealant in the gaps. But this did not fully solve my problem.”

Professor Bisby’s report also identified the presence of silicone sealant in the window boards.

According to his report, this sealant is being investigated using laboratory testing at the University of Edinburgh and will be reported on in the second phase of the inquiry, which is expected to begin next year.

Mr Kebede also discussed the new heating system that was installed in the tower as part of the same refurbishment.

The pipes, another expert witness Dr Barbara Lane revealed this week, had incomplete fire safety protection at the time of the fire.

In addition, as Inside Housing revealed on the day of the fire, the installation of these pipes involved the temporary removal of safeguards in the floors intended to prevent the spread of fire from floor to floor.

Mr Kebede said in his statement: “Instead of removing the old boilers in the kitchens and placing them with the new boilers at the same place near locations, it was decided that the new boilers should be placed near the front doors of the flats. The reason for this, we were told, was that this was the cheaper option.”

The inquiry continues.

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