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Sally Clarke has died....

522 replies

ZZMum · 16/03/2007 19:42

Poor poor woman... how awful for her family after all they went thru...

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MrsGumby · 17/03/2007 11:17

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filthymindedvixen · 17/03/2007 11:18
Hmm
homemama · 17/03/2007 11:18

This is so desperately sad.

Maybe I'ma bit thick but I never understood the 1 in 70million chance of it happening twice thing. Surely it's the probability senario where you put all the balls back in the bag? So there's 6 balls of differing colours and one is black. Person A picks the black one, it goes back in. So surely person A picking it out again on their second turn is no higher probability than person B picking it the first time i.e 1in6. By that I mean after the sad death of her first child, why is it any less likely to happen to her again than it is to happen to her neighbour?

VeniVidiVickiQV · 17/03/2007 11:18

Corkgirl, go get your kicks elsewhere, theres a love.

lilybubble · 17/03/2007 11:24

at corkgirl's comments. How totally unnecessary.

ComeOVeneer · 17/03/2007 11:27

Do you know all of that for a fact Corkgirl? I have to say that your comments are at best in very poor taste on this thread and at worst libelous

Marina · 17/03/2007 11:32

Two alternatives:

Either you know the family professionally or socially corkgirl, in which case surely it's a betrayal of the Clarkes to discuss Sally in this fashion on a public forum

or you believe some hostile reporting that was not picked up on by the mainstream press

Either way, bringing it up here and now on this thread achieves nothing. She was wrongly convicted, her life was destroyed, her husband and her surviving child are left bereaved

I don't think Roy Meadows has the capacity to care in the slightest about Sally Clarke's death. Everything about the way he works seems to indicate he still believes he is right. He refused to demonstrate the underlying research for his statistical theories and he works alone, without consensus. I too am beyond words that he cannot be brought to account in a way that will permeate even his consciousness.

ssd · 17/03/2007 11:33

that news is so sad, can't imagine what her family are going through

really really tragic, can't help thinking if she hadn't been wrongly accused what a different life she'd have had................

sometimes life is so unfair

aragon · 17/03/2007 11:34

at the news - was shocked when I read it last night. Her poor husband.

LittleSarah · 17/03/2007 11:39

This is just so incredibly sad, and a real scar on the British justice system.

Don't get me started on Dr (!) Roy Meadows.

edam · 17/03/2007 11:40

He made up the 1 in 70m thing. He knew perfectly well that he had no professional expertise in statistics and should not have given a figure that he'd worked out on the back of a fag packet. He abdicated his professional responsibility and lied to the court.

His striking off was reversed by the Court of Appeal because they held that the GMC could not strike someone off for their behaviour as an expert witness. Ridculous. He was acting in his professional capacity as a doctor. They didn't call him as a private individual, but as a doctor.

And I think hatred for him is entirely justified - he must have know he was wrong. And his other activities as an expert witness in other cases were equally reprehensible. Telling courts as a matter of fact that mothers had harmed their children without ever meeting the mothers or children in person.

The government has colluded in a cover up of the miscarriages of justice in the family courts around his evidence and those of his despicable acolytes. They were forced to review cases where children were taken and forcibly adopted. But they set up the reviews in such a way it was a foregone conclusion - they asked social services departments, the very people who had created these miscarriages of justice, to identify cases which rested on expert evidence. Oddly enough social services claimed there were only a handful of cases. That was a lie. They ignored the very first case where Roy Meadows gave evidence in the family courts about MSbP, for instance.

Even where parents have been cleared - the family courts have caused a miscarriage of justice - those in authority have shrugged their shoulders and said, so what, the children have been adopted so you can't reverse the decision. Social workers have sent children adopted under this cruel system who reach adulthood 'letters for life' perpetuating lies about their parents when the social workers know damn well the case is contested and that that their original arguments are demonstrably false. The whole system stinks and those in authority refuse to stop their attempts to villify parents. I just hope some of the children involved decide to sue.

Socci · 17/03/2007 11:46

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grouchyoscar · 17/03/2007 11:46

Unbelievably tragic words fail me! I truly feel for her surviving family. I do hope she is now finally able to find the peace she was deprived of in life.

Corkgirl...You're either a wind up merchant or down right foolish to raise your feelings here and now.

ELF1981 · 17/03/2007 11:47

Just heard this, and it's very sad news.
No child should have to be without their mother, and her little boy has had his mother taken from him twice.
I really hope that her DH & DS are left alone in peace to try to recover from this tragedy, without intrusion from the media and without lots of people jumping on the bandwagon to "badmouth the dead" - the lowest of all attacks.

squonk · 17/03/2007 11:48

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berolina · 17/03/2007 11:50

Great post, edam. On my earlier post, of course I am not meditating or encouraging doing anything to the man, but I think it's legitimate to imagine him one day being met with, and made to feel, the consequences of his actions. Sadly, this doesn't seem likely to happen in this life.

The 1 in 73m thing is utterly illogical. How sad and how frightening that the authority of the person making the pronouncement seems, at least initially, to have blinded so many people to that.

I think there was a lot of misogyny in the whole thing.

foxinsocks · 17/03/2007 11:51

I think you're right about RM marina and it wasn't only RM who had an impact on Sally's case - it was the pathologist too.

A lot of the families (affected by RM's testimony) said all they ever wanted was an apology. But I don't think they ever got one.

winnie · 17/03/2007 11:52

This is so tragic. That poor family

chopchopbusybusy · 17/03/2007 11:52

I have only just heard about this on the news. Desperately sad. I really hope her family are left in peace to grieve and that they can somehow manage to have some happiness in the future.

Judy1234 · 17/03/2007 11:56

It's all really sad and terrible. I don't think, though, he intended to hurt anyone but I know few details so not in a position to comment as someone better informed might be.
It's horrible and complicated. corkg's comment is not exactly unknown - news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/512099.stm

taylormama · 17/03/2007 11:56

i saw this on the news last night - she went through hell and on the say so of deeply flawed "evidence" - i don't know how you can recover from what she went through - she was so young as well - only 42 how

VioletBaudelaire · 17/03/2007 11:58

His arrogance lead to him behaving in an unprofessional and blase manner at best.
At worst.....well, I don't even want to discuss it on this thread, TBH.

taylormama · 17/03/2007 11:59

why is it necessary to bring up an article written 8 years ago which may or may not be a load of rubbish done to discredit her .... totally inappropriate IMHO

Saggarmakersbottomknocker · 17/03/2007 12:03

corkgirl - you should have some respect. The woman has been to hell and back and now she's dead. Please, it's inappropriate.

Greensleeves · 17/03/2007 12:10

I apologise for being abusive. I saw red. Sorry.

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