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Baby milk firms to drop nutrition claims

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Nip · 14/03/2007 11:27

here

I guess those who bf this is a good thing, but i didnt bf and this now makes me feel like cack!

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fishie · 14/03/2007 22:13

why twinklemegan? i mean why would you think sma inferior to aptimil? arent' they pretty much teh same thing? honest question, i don't know much about formula composition.

Twinklemegan · 14/03/2007 22:16

Well from what I've heard SMA bungs babies up something rotten. Whereas my DS always had soft poo like a fully breastfed baby when on C&G. It's cheaper as well which makes me suspicious - I don't think it has the added ingredients that can make formula easier to digest (which they now won't be able to advertise on the front of the packs).

indiajane · 14/03/2007 22:20

And Fishie, it will be very hard in future to learn anything.

Claims such as "closer to breast milk than ever before" - I agree, bann them but telling me that it's got beta carotene in it and that this is good for immune systems should be ok.

Assuming of course that beta carotene is of course!

Now, somebody looking at formula will need to look at the ingredients and then come back onto mumsnet and ask everyone what beta carotene / nucleotides / Omega 3 does before making up their minds which formula to get

fishie · 14/03/2007 22:23

i do wonder whether the extra price is spent on advertising or ingredients though. experience of users and word of mouth has got to be better than manufacturer's claims too.

Twinklemegan · 14/03/2007 22:29

Which formula people choose will all be down to aggressive marketing now though (of follow-on milk of course), as there won't be any other information to base it on.

Twinklemegan · 14/03/2007 22:31

And actually, I think the government might be better off targeting the real junk that's fed to children when they get older - IMHO.

AitchYouBerk · 14/03/2007 22:31

i used aptamil because it said 'closer to breastmilk' on the pack and because it contains fish oils. in what quantity i have no idea, and whether they can actually be usefully processed by a baby's brain i also have no idea. it was also the most expensive and i wanted to buy it for my baby because the most expensive = the best. if there had been an organic version i would have bought that instead.

so not very informed really, even with the 'information' on the packaging.

moondog · 14/03/2007 22:48

Brilliant news.
I am delighted.

We worked out once on MN what the mark up on that blasted 'follow on' milk is.
It was if I recall correctly about 7/8 times more expensive than regular milk.

edam · 14/03/2007 22:49

I'm glad this is being banned, now would like to see FSA booting the Dept of Health up the arse to make sure midwives and HVs have a clue what they are talking about (and a few more midwives wouldn't go amiss while they are at it).

Fishie, question is, when manufacturers say 'it has beta carotene and that is good for the immune system' do they actually have any proper scientific evidence that beta carotene supplementation is good for the immune system of babies? Or are they just trying to make a link that doesn't acutally exist?

For instance, beta carotene is an anti-oxidant (supposed to be a good thing - although AFAIK all the evidenced that anti-oxidants are good for you comes from studies of diet, not supplements, ie diets high in fruit and veg are good for you, you can't necessarily get the same result by popping tablets).\

In adults and children, your body converts it into Vit A. I don't know if that is true for babies given their digestive system is different. And I don't know whether, even if it did, that would be particularly beneficial.

And the same goes for every other health claim to do with ingredients. Omega 3 fats are 'good for you' generally but does omega 3 in formula milk make a blind bit of difference to a baby?

Vitamin supplements behave in different ways to actual food and may have different, even negative effects. Eg beta carotene supplements are supposed to be good for your immune system. Yet a reputable study (approved by the major cancer charities) showed they actually increase the risk of lung cancer in smokers. This is the opposite of what you'd expect to happen!

edam · 14/03/2007 22:50

Sorry, not fishie who made that point, Indiajane.

moondog · 14/03/2007 22:51

Yes, and all the mothers who had shit breast feeding support and advice could help enormously by lobbying for this.

Goodasgold · 14/03/2007 23:01

NormaStanleyFletcher at my college (SOAS) the SU boycotted Nestle. Back in the day.

NormaStanleyFletcher · 14/03/2007 23:06

It was a really unpopular move (banning nestle) - but my Uni was so science, male, overseas student, etc, that I really really felt it was a victory to get it through .

Goodasgold · 14/03/2007 23:09

From your earlier post I didn't realise you had done it. Well done.
Makes me !!!! that they are now selling fair trade coffee.

indiajane · 15/03/2007 06:38

Edam my only point is that if, for the sake of argument, fish oil is proven to be of benefit to small babies, why shouldn't the manufacturing company be able to say so on the front of their product?

I'm really really new to mumsnet and think it's fantastic. I have to say though that I'm a bit taken aback sometimes by the level of antagonism towards forumla. As I say, (having just expressed 4oz towards DS's next feed) if you can breast feed and choose happily to do it - great. If not, is is really such a big deal? formula does provide every single nutrient that is essential to your babys growth and well being and if it results in a relaxed happy mum and baby - that's good isn't it?

Actually that's two points

LucyJu · 15/03/2007 09:33

My understanding is that manufacturers have not proven that adding fish oils to formula can benefit babies - that's why the claim is misleading.

Breast milk is naturally high in omega-3 fats; formula manufacturers have attemted to replicate this by adding fish oils (also high in omega-3 fats) to formula. Breast milk contains an enzyme called lipase that helps digest fat, so more energy is available to the baby and less fat is eliminated in the stools. Formula and cow's milk do not contain this enzyme, and the baby's intestines can't digest all of the fat in formula and cow's milk.

As far as I know there have been no trials to see whether adding the fish oil has the desired effect, although I can accept why this might be beneficial in theory.

"formula does provide every single nutrient that is essential to your babys growth and well being"

On paper, the vitamin-and-mineral profile of breast milk and formula may look the same - or it might even seem that formula contains more of some nutrients - but charts and comparisons can be deceiving. The nutrients in breast milk are better because of their high bioavailability, which means more of the vitamins and minerals that are in it get absorbed by the baby. What counts is not how much of a nutrient is listed on the label, but how much of that nutrient is absorbed through the intestines into the bloodstream. What counts is how much is available to the body - thus the term bioavailability.

The three important minerals calcium, phosphorus, and iron are present in breast milk at lower levels than they are in formula, but in breast milk these minerals are present in forms that have high bioavailability. For example, 50 to 75 percent of breast-milk iron is absorbed by the baby. With formula, as little as 4 percent of the iron is absorbed into baby's bloodstream. To make up for the low bioavailability of factory-added vitamins and minerals, formula manufacturers raise the concentrations. Sounds reasonable: if only half gets absorbed by the body, put twice as much into the can. This nutrient manipulation may, however, have a metabolic price.

Baby's immature intestines must dispose of the excess, and the unabsorbed minerals (especially iron) can upset the ecology of the gut, interfering with the growth of healthful bacteria and allowing harmful bacteria to flourish. This is another reason formula-fed infants have harder, unpleasant-smelling stools.

To enhance the bioavailability of nutrients, breast milk contains facilitators - substances that enhance the absorption of other nutrients; for example, vitamin C in human milk increases the absorption of iron. Zinc absorption is also enhanced by other factors in human milk. In an interesting experiment, researchers added equal amounts of iron and zinc to samples of human milk, formula, and cow's milk and fed them to human volunteers. More of the nutrients in the human-milk sample got into the bloodstream than in the formula and cow's milk. In essence, breast milk puts nutrients where they belong - in baby's blood, not in baby's stools.

The late Dr. Frank Oski, world-renowned pediatrician, former professor of pediatrics at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, and our friend, was a longtime advocate of the importance of breastfeeding. He once said ?When researching the difference between human milk and formula, I discovered that there are over four hundred nutrients in breast milk that aren't in formula.?

As for "closer to breast milk" - closer than what? Closer than other formulas? Because they all claim that. Or closer than it used to be? The truth is, they are all closer to each other than they are to breastmilk.

lissielou · 15/03/2007 09:43

while a lot of the posts on here make great points the article made me feel like sh*t for ff-ing. of course ff is a valid alternative to bf, for a lot of women its their only option, imho that makes it a valid alternative. and as for "undermining bf" wtf?? what about undermining ff mums or do we not count?

MrsBadger · 15/03/2007 09:48

Remember the article's in the Daily Mail, well known for its non-hysterical, balanced, evenhanded reporting .

Maybe 'substitute' would be a better word that 'alternative'?

lissielou · 15/03/2007 09:49

lol mrsb, when i opened it up i said to dh ah feck, it had to be the mail!

indiajane · 15/03/2007 11:01

Yes you're right - it is the Mail so what do we expect

Lucyju - I'm sure that every formula feeding mum out there must feel alot better now we all know that formula is not as good as breast - but it does do the job.

I guess my gripe is that I was bottle fed and I survived - nay even flourished! So maybe the 400 nutrients or whatever that I missed out on were not that important?

lissielou · 15/03/2007 11:09

my argument is that ff is the only alternative to bf. what about the women who dont want to bf?

AitchYouBerk · 15/03/2007 11:24

i agree with mrsb, substitute would be a better word than alternative. it's not equivalent, and we all know it isn't.

LucyJu · 15/03/2007 11:24

If a woman doesn't breastfeed (for whatever reason), then I can't see any realistic alternative to infant formula, that's true. I'm undecided wether it should be described as a "valid" alternative - does that imply it is of equal value? You might say that Pepsi is a valid alternative to Coca Cola - but what about co-op own brand value cola? (Just wondering aloud here, really.)

And I can see here as I write this, that I might be upsetting people with these words, which really isn't my intention, especially as I know that formula feeding is not always a first choice. And I'm sorry if I have upset anyone - but I'm also sorry that I also can't subscribe to the "just as good" arguments either.

AitchYouBerk · 15/03/2007 11:25

anyway, i'm interested to know what led the ffers on this thread to choose their brands, because i know how unscientific i was when i had to buy some. anyone else?

indiajane · 15/03/2007 12:20

I chose SMA for my other 2 when I went back to work - can't remember why now but reading the posts below I certainly wouldn't again!

Doesn't HIPP do an organic one? I'd probably be swayed by that this time should I need to supplement.