The murder of Maria Ladenburger in Germany

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Maria Ladenburger was the 19 year old daughter of a lawyer who works for the European Commission. She was a medical student in Freiburg. She was raped and murdered in October cycling home from a party. A 17 year old Afghan asylum seeker who arrived in Germany in November 2015 under Angela Merkel's all comers policy has admitted to her murder after he was arrested on DNA evidence.

www.ibtimes.co.uk/afghan-refugee-arrested-over-rape-murder-german-medical-student-maria-ladenburger-1594764
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/04/afghan-asylum-seeker-confesses-murdering-german-medical-student/

He is also under investigation for the rape and murder of a 27 year old woman three weeks later in the same area.

It turns out he may also be responsible for pushing another woman off a cliff in Corfu in 2013.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38314498

I cannot find anything about this story in the Guardian.

Although what happened to her was desperately tragic it was a case of somebody who always thinks somebody else (probably a bit poorer and less privileged) will pay the price for their principles.

She was neither rich nor privileged. She was a 14 year old child, FFS. Well at least she paid the price of her principles then, rather than someone else, eh?

But if you read the essay she wrote she absolutely disregarded any victims or their rights in a passionate defence of the rights of foreign criminals to move here without monitoring and branded anything else 'racism'. Although what happened to her was desperately tragic it was a case of somebody who always thinks somebody else (probably a bit poorer and less privileged) will pay the price for their principles.
So nothing unusual for a 14 yr old then. A 14 yr old who, being 14, has even less influence over government policies then voting adults.

I voted Remain and strongly believe that we should take many more Syrian refugees than we do. I also think we need to prevent violent criminals crossing international boarders, it seems they can almost wipe their slate clean by moving. This cuts both ways, British child abusers or football hooligans should be prevented from leaving the country to pursue their activities. I think we are getting better at preventing this. Same goes for immigrants from other countries, even if they are refugees imo, trouble is monitoring this, in a refugee crisis, you just don't know people's background and I think it's very difficult to check. So what do you do, ban all refugees from your country because some of them might be criminals?

a violently pro unfettered migration family

I have never ever heard this phrase before let alone to use it as your only description of the family of a child-murder victim.

She was a 14 year old state educated child from Ealing who wrote an essay in favour of remain at school. But ok, you would prefer to frame it as, she was somebody who always thinks somebody else (probably a big poorer and less priveleged) will pay the price for their principles.

What a staggering choice of words. What a bizarre interpretation. Says so much about you, Bill.

What a disgusting thread.

Racism, victim blaming...

There are murderers and rapists in all cultures unfortunately. They do not represent all of the people. FFS.

A sensible discussion about vetting newcomers and supporting integration is fine. Tarring whole communities on the actions of one nasty human being is not.

God I feel queasy reading your foul victim blaming posts BillSykesDog. They are full of glee. Yuck.

Wow, what a disgusting thread.
I hope you reconsider your stance.

Wow, what a disgusting thread

What is disgusting is that there has been yet another rape & murder of a young woman in Europe.

I fear that there still continues to be people whose ideology prevents them from taking precautions and thinking clearly.

No clarification on this?
What a shame.

There are many kinds of disgusting:

Trying to use the murder of a young woman to push your violently hate filled political agenda certainly fits.

I fear that there still continues to be people whose ideology prevents them from taking precautions and thinking clearly

What on earth are you trying to say here?

Well, Birdybirdy, what I am saying is that despite the existence of Europol, serious criminals from EU countries are walking into ours. We are not being informed until after a dreadful event such as this.

The ideology I refer to is the EU ideology, which promotes the belief that being a borderless group of 28 nations is a good thing, and the fact that criminals can come & go as they please is just something we have to put up with.

And because insufficient checks on those arriving from any EU country are not performed, or rather names do not appear to be flagged up on the computers at Passport Control in a timely fashion, I would suggest that it would be prudent of us to practice a bit of circumspection.

And that's from a Detective Sergeant.

Trying to use the murder of a young woman to push your violently hate filled political agenda certainly fits

I think it is YOU who is filled with hate against this country. I am Indian (born here) and I recognise your invective very well.

I can't understand your posts-

Prudent of us to practice circumspection? So you are saying these young women weren't cautious enough?

You think I hate this country? You recognise my invective well?
Err, what are you talking about now?

I think there are teenagers on this thread. Age gap, not possible to discuss rationally.

Southallgirl, what do you mean by saying birdy is "filled with hate against this country"? What kind of "taking precautions" and "thinking clearly" is it you feel that "we" aren't doing enough of? And does that have anything to do with whatever point you were making about the BNP and EDL being comparatively not that bad earlier?

But checks are performed. We do have borders.

Not sure what "Indian (born here)" is supposed to indicate.

East African Rift Valley (born here).

I agree that the problem is that people are able to assume a new identity, which a similar criminal from the UK would not be able to do.

In Italy men have been removing their finger pads to prevent the whorls being identified. I can't imagine you'd do this unless you had something to hide.

I think, despite protests from all political sides, that we have to introduce ID cards with photos/iris recognition etc.

I was reading that murders in this country decreased significantly in the Victorian era when people began to be logged and papertrailed more effectively and a ne'er do well couldn't just up sticks and reinvent themselves in another part of the country.

Utterly despicable ideas on this thread from the crazed leavers.

But does the current system of dealing with migrants (and particularly asylum seekers) in mainland Europe facilitate this sort of thing? You bet it does.

This. The current system facilitates and even encourages violent criminals. How can anyone seriously argue British people committing violent crimes against women means that migrants mustn't be vetted thoroughly (age checks!)!

53rd I never said BNP or EDL were not bad. I was talking about an organised chase-down that is known as tarrahush. A woman is selected (I don't know how) and hundreds of men chase her. The one who catches her, rapes her then the others take a turn. You want to deflect to groups as the two above who are barely in existence and ignore imported practices, and I wonder why.

The Guardian are doing themselves no credit with their ostrich stance on certain stories.

If they have a different interpretation, why not at least write it?

Again, Southall - what do you mean by saying that birdy is "filled with hate against this country"? And what are the "precautions" and "thinking clearly" you think we should be doing? I'm glad that you do indeed feel that the BNP and EDL are that bad, though (although I'm a little puzzled about why you seemed to be disputing that upthread).

I had never heard of tarrahush Southalgirl, so I googled, and seems that many of the references to it have been thoroughly discredited by snopes as deliberate attempts to spread racist fear and distress. Much like many of the posts on this thread.

vigues What do you think Cologne et al was? Check it out on YouTube, and educate yourself.

53rd Why do you think the Guardian has not written anything about this girl's murder? If you recall, that was the newspaper who kept schtum for 2 weeks after the Cologne rapes at NYEve, while others were reporting it.

although I'm a little puzzled about why you seemed to be disputing that upthread)

Good grief. Are you all really struggling with the rhetoric "You think THAT's bad!? What about THIS then?"?

Or is it the deeply disingenuous pose it looks like?

It distracts from the real conversation.