Interesting story in guardian - involves sad stuff - but potential interesting debate ... you've been warned

[Twiglett]

There's a story in the Guardian about a baby boy who died at 4 months old immediately following a triple vax .. father refuses to sign death certificate because it says SIDS and he believes it was vaccine

what do you think?

will try to find link

can't find it .. it was front page

Yes, I saw that, Twiglett. Very sad.
Only skimmed it - did they not do a post-mortem, then?

I feel very deeply sorry for the family. To leave your child unburied in a hospital mortuary for 20 years suggests to me that that they need some expert, compassionate professional input to assist them out of this ghastly impasse

Yes, I thought that, Marina: one of the bodies supporting victims of medical negligence has stopped supporting them, hasn't it, which did kind of indicate there was Unresolved Stuff.

from what I recall .. baby was fine in the morning, was given triple jab (whooping cough one) .. immediately got sick and vomited .. was sent home .. went for sleep and father found him dead that evening

supposedly the blood tests were lost / not available

coroner says that the family have refused to be reassured by PM

father says they do not believe it was SIDS that they want it investigated

has cost £15K to keep baby in morgue for 20 years

incredibly sad but can't help feeling the father has a right to reassurance .. it sounded extremely difficult to believe the vax did not have some impact

thats awful!

20 years Fio. The poor little chap died in 1987.
Someone at the hospital or otherwise involved in this situation should have done whatever it took YEARS ago to either address the family's concerns re cause of death or help them towards organising a funeral.
I think blood tests are an issue and the original test results have been mislaid...
It sounds to me as though a family made "awkward" by grief and anger has been left alone rather than dealt with compassionately face to face.

Wonder what the mother thought. Was she quoted too?

there were some palpable lies as well about some official trying to contact them but not being able to locate them .. and the journalist finding them at the same address they were living at when Christopher was born

wish I could find it

found it

x-posted MI, did not see that a medical negligence group have withdrawn their support
I think it is entirely normal for a family to have issues about PM results - and very easy in extremis to start to wonder What They Missed in an inconclusive one, believe me, I've been there. But I was talked out of this through follow-up appointments and counselling and that is what this poor couple should have been able to do too.

Marina I think you're completely right

Oh my goodness how sad

omg!!!!

personally i believe there are connections between vaccines and stress induced breathing which can be the cause of SIDS.

an Australian scientist did some research on this and my dd suffered 4 unexplained apnea episodes in the 14 days following her first set of jabs.

luckily for me, she was a velcro baby and would only sleep on me so i noticed each episode.

fully accept it may not be related but have no evidence that it wasn't either.

the study in Australia was very small tho and after one of the scientists died the research discontinued.

the poor family, i cannot believe they have been left 20 years without answers and resolution of some sort..........

Ds1 stopped breathing after having the DTP. We were told that it was probably a coincidence because it happened 6hrs later and not immediately. He had the 2nd does in hospital under observation. Exactly 6hrs later it happened again. One minute he was fine and looking around the room, the next he had turned grey and the nurse was running for an oxygen mask. Fortunately for us one of the doctors had heard of this being caused by the whooping cough element of the vaccine and so ds1 was given the 3rd dose without the whooping cough part. He was absolutely fine.

I would find it hard to believe that ds1 is the only child that this had ever happened to. We were lucky that ds1 slept so little. Any other baby of his age would probably have been asleep when it happened and we might not have noticed.

coppertop, god that sounds just like my dd except i was fobbed off with silent reflux and bronchiolitis that never went full blown rubbish!

i wouldn't let dd have next jabs till she was a lot older and in the end was nearly 1 year before having the final set.

glad things turned out okay for you.

I have heard that before coppertop .. that's why I find it so strange that there has been no 'official report' referencing this

I am increasingly concerned that there is such a strong incentive NEVER to consider vaccines at fault ..

and one is made out to be a 'conspiracy theorists' if one ever moots any potential connection

feel for the family.

Just look at what happened to Andrew Wakefield
Paddlechick, coppertop, how very frightening for you both
We took the single jabs route for the dc's MMR but with hindsight were pretty unconcerned about the DTP cocktail at 4 months plus.
I do think GPs routinely underreport vaccine reactions, and then get all grumpy with us when we have doubts about the safety of the immunisation programme...

yes, I think they routinely underreport. In fact, I'd go as far as to say you have to make a MASSIVE fuss to get any reaction recorded at all.