Interesting story in guardian - involves sad stuff - but potential interesting debate ... you've been warned

[Twiglett]

There's a story in the Guardian about a baby boy who died at 4 months old immediately following a triple vax .. father refuses to sign death certificate because it says SIDS and he believes it was vaccine

what do you think?

will try to find link

Ds1's reaction was noted in his records as (quote) "a mild adverse reaction".

Oh, that poor poor family.

I can't work out whether there was an in-depth examination into his death - though surely a verdict of SIDS cannot be given without a post-mortem? And presumably, SIDS, being a title that basically says there is no identifiable cause of death covers things that are unexplained or unproven? I mean SIDS isn't a name for an actual illness or cause, is it? So maybe 20 years ago, it would have covered the unproven possibility of a reaction to the vaccine?

Anyway, whatever the background, they need help, help, help.

Coppertop and padlechick - how very frightening.

I split the DTPs so no more than 2 at a time (following an 8 week fight over gettin aP not wP).. not allowed to do that any more

I sepvaxed DS on MMR but decided that was OTT so went MMR with DD at 19 months .. 10 days later she was in hospital with pneumonia with doctors telling me, without being asked, that it was NOTHING to do with the MMR ... so no compromised immunity leading to greater susceptibility to infection then? .. who knows? not allowed to even discuss it

they refused to note down dd's (numerous) and ds's vaccine reactions even though they were quite severe because it couldn't be proved that the reactions were from the vaccines (oh yes they were!).

Think you may be able to report them yourself now.

Blu, there was a PM, they refused to accept the verdict of SIDS. So no death certificate has been issued, hence baby Christopher's ongoing presence in the hospital mortuary

FIS, you can. There is a section in your Red Book. Wish we had had that (not for ds, my we were lucky with both of ours, but for the six or seven friends whose babies were extremely unwell at some point and whose concerns were all dismissed by a variety of SE London GPs)
Fio

My sister wanted to find out her medical records from her first birth and they were 'lost'...mainly because she was a lawyer at the time

'I am increasingly concerned that there is such a strong incentive NEVER to consider vaccines at fault ..' spot on twiglett.

It is common knowledge in medical negligence circles that files routinely 'get lost'.

This is such an incredibly sad story.

What a heartbreaking story. None of my dc has had the whooping cough vax as there's a history of fits in the family though I think the latest jab is 'safer'. When it came to the dd's my own GP said he wouldn't vax his dc if he was in my place.

Re poor unburied Christopher - did anyone else note that the father said the baby was lying on a pillow? That must raise doubts about the vax theory. But whatever the cause, I hope someone can comfort this family.

The thing is, there are three issues here.

One - the vaccinations, and whether they contributed to and/or caused Christopher's death.

Two - the way the hospital has handled the issue, whatever the cause of death.

Three - the parents' very clear determination to refuse any other interpretation of the cause of Christopher's death and their need to tackle that as well. I don't think that any evidence would convince them that it was caused by something else - as Marina says, they're stuck in one particularly awful phase of mourning and grieving.

Four - officialdom just brushing it under the table and nobody taking responsibility to help this devestated family come to terms with it

devastated (sp)

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