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Man arm locks child on train

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Grassgreendashhabi · 25/07/2016 13:12

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/25/man-armlocks-child-who-refused-to-take-feet-off-seats-on-train/?campaignid=A100&campaignn_type=Email

Why would you think this is acceptable.

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blindsider · 27/07/2016 15:25

Fair enough.

BUT if it is the train companies setting no travel unaccompanied, under the age of 12 how is it they were on the train?

Hockeydude · 27/07/2016 15:29

It's one of those situations where everyone is in the wrong.

  1. parents allowed kids out who were not equipped with the skills to behave properly in public
  2. train company allow kids on train alone who should have been accompanied by a responsible adult
  3. kids are rude, arrogant and disobedient
  4. man uses excessive force

What a shit society we have

milpool · 27/07/2016 15:31

I actually cannot believe some of the comments on this thread.

It's never ok to hit a child or force them into an arm lock for fuck's sake.

If these boys had been adults would you still say this man was in the right to assault them?

Yes the boys shouldn't have been behaving in the way they did but you can't just go around assaulting people!

Duckyneedsaclean · 27/07/2016 15:44

What's an armlock?

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 27/07/2016 16:45

We don't know of the parents were on the train but in a different carriage. The guard might not have been aware they were traveling alone- if they were.

SemiNormal · 27/07/2016 17:06

What's an armlock? - twisting someones arm up behind their back.

Xenophile · 27/07/2016 17:09

Duck this is what the "gentleman" thought was appropriate to do to the child after he had punched him. An arm lock is where you push someone's hand so far up their back that they are forced to bend forward. It's extremely painful and causes dislocations more often than not.

SouthWestmom · 27/07/2016 17:17

Weirdly on here no one actually seems to subscribe to the 'village' method of raising children. MILS aren't allowed near babies, people are criticised for speaking to kids, friends can't offer advice - how many threads are along the lines of someone disciplined/ did something for my child, what a cow.
It's not surprising we have unruly crappy kids no one can talk sense to.

Xenophile · 27/07/2016 17:22

Not sure that it takes a village to raise a child includes physically assaulting children, but ok

SouthWestmom · 27/07/2016 17:40

Clearly not what I was saying fgs.

scallopsrgreat · 27/07/2016 17:47

No it isn't clear that wasn't what you were saying. What were you saying then?

urkidding · 27/07/2016 17:55

I don't understand what the age reference is about. Children in London often use the train and buses to go to school. Mine did when they went to secondary school. I am fed up with having to sit on seats where spoilt brats have put their feet. These are bullies because they know that people will not say anything to them.We are living in an age where bad behaviour is acceptable. It isn't. I'm fed up with my quality of life being spoilt by brats who throw rubbish around, play loud music and generally have unsociable behaviour. In countries like Switzerland, they would be fined.

Oswin · 27/07/2016 18:10

So its seems its OK now to punch children for misbehaving.

There's a woman who I see regularly on my bus. She's about 70. She's a vile horrible fucker.
She's called me a whore for no reason before.
I've seen her reduce a woman to tears with her abuse.

I'm OK to punch this old lady then?

Xenophile · 27/07/2016 18:22

Apparently not Oswin, it's only ok if they're children

And no noeuf, it wasn't clear that you weren't saying what I responded to, otherwise I wouldn't have responded in the way that I did. Apologies that I took your comment to mean how it reads.

No one has said that the children's behaviour was acceptable. However, the man's behaviour was far far worse, indicative that this might be how he regularly settles disputes he feels unable to win, and was an unnecessary escalation of violence in the circumstances.

Had this been a woman putting her feet on the seats and behaving obnoxiously and this man had punched her and then placed her in an arm lock, it would be hopefully universally seen as a violent assault. Why are so many people trying to make excuses for this man's behaviour because he has assaulted a child instead of an adult?

Carriecakes80 · 27/07/2016 19:14

What the hell?? People actually think that these lads deserved to be punched in the ribs??? What?? I must admit if I saw kids acting like that they would get a mouthful from me, however, those saying tthat 'No damage is done' is talking out of their back passage!
When you hit a kid you're telling them violence is the way to solve things. A clip round the ear is one thing, punching a child for sticking his feet on the seats is bloody mental!

SwissWank · 27/07/2016 19:17

Oh the glory days when it took a village to raise a child.

We also ignored child abuse as a rule and sexual assault. Connected? Maybe.

We also accepted sexual and racial abuse. We did a lot of the things back in the day maybe best not to to pretend it was all so fucking perfect eh?

The lovely gentleman who attacks children is the product of that era what did he learn from it?

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 27/07/2016 19:25

I'm not sure anyone has said they deserved it. A lot of posters however have said they can understand how the man snapped.

SwissWank · 27/07/2016 19:33

Good for that bloke! No lasting damage and hopefully the little toads will think twice next time (though in today's cottonwool climate they'll probably get a huge payout and the old bloke will get a public flogging).

Because they grown up in world were non should be touched by a adult that's not ypu parent They push and push and are shocked when they get a slap not every one reads the guardian and they will give a clip round the ear Oh dear the old man went to far however may make the kids think again

I can understand why he did it but it's best to just move seats and ignore. I don't even bother to say anything now as you just get a load of abuse. My son knows not to do it, I have done my best in that sense, the children of others I have concluded are their resposibility.

Why would you think it was acceptable for the boys to put their feet on the seats?The man behaved as he did because he is old enough to remember a time when children did as they were told. If he had called the guard he would have done nothing. I remember a family of four sitting in reserved seats and refusing to move; the guard was called and his solution was to put the people whose seats had been taken into another carriage, thus separating them from the rest of their party, who intended to work together during the journey. The family remained in situ and the three children learned a valuable lesson: ignore the rules and nothing will happen to you.I am quite sure the man will be tracked down and punished, whereas those badly behaved boys will regard themselves as victims and heroes.

SwissWank · 27/07/2016 19:33

I got bored with c&ping but lots were excusing it.

Xenophile · 27/07/2016 20:38

^^ what Swiss said

OohMavis · 28/07/2016 15:40

It would be interesting, if this 'gentleman' has children, to hear how their childhoods went.

Toxicity · 28/07/2016 16:44

I don't think this man was very wise but it seems like he snapped and I understand how that could happen.

I don't know what trains you all travel on but I regularly travel on trains and there is never a guard onboard. You'd have to get the driver's attention if you wanted help.

MistressDeeCee · 29/07/2016 11:01

I can't stand naughty kids who are arrogant little shits

But bloody hell - there's absolutely no way on earth I could utter any sort of justification or an oh well, it wouldn't have happened if they weren't being naughty type of comment regarding violence towards a child

Im guessing its a case of its ok if its someone else's child, but if my child came home and told me they were being naughty and an adult punched them in the stomach, Id scream blue murder and move heaven and earth to find the perpretrator

Thank God there are still plenty of people who aren''t desensitised to violence, or believe irritation with someone else's actions is a . The 1st few pages of this thread had me worried for a while

MistressDeeCee · 29/07/2016 11:02

*irritation with someone else's actions is a perfectly valid reason to hit them

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