Man arm locks child on train

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/25/man-armlocks-child-who-refused-to-take-feet-off-seats-on-train/?campaignid=A100&campaignn_type=Email

Why would you think this is acceptable.

Also, if my kids were ever punched by an adult I would be calling the police regardless of what my child had done!

Well I wouldn't - I would be furious with my DS if he behaved like those boys on the train. I am not condoning the man's behavior but I am just sick of children who behave so appallingly - and then manage to film the whole incident so they can't have been that traumatised by it.

The boys were being anti social and were clearly too young to be travelling alone, but can't be responsible for their actions. Their parents should not have let them travel alone.
The appropriate response would have been to contact the guard. They would have taken their feet off the seats sharpish if he'd refused to move the train.

The man assaulted a child, a violent sustained attack against a minor. He did have responsibility for his actions, unlike the kids, and he chose not to break the conditions of carriage, which gets you thrown off the train, but to break the law. Which gets you thrown in jail.

I really hope that none of you who are hurling vile insults at kids succeed in painting this violent man as a 'gentleman' ' pushed too far'.

Don't you realise the kids took a picture of the assault because they had literally no other choice?

Imagine, just for a second, being in a position where all you can do is record an assault you cannot physically prevent happening. Now imagine that happening when you are a child.

If he can violently assault small kids in public my blood runs cold to think what a man like that is capable of behind closed doors. I hope he gets found and jailed before he attacks anyone else.

There weren't any staff about and how do you call staff? There isn't a bell or intercom system to get anyone's attention.

Punching someone when they are doing something wrong sets an example of if you don't do as you are told you get hurt. As to whether that is good or bad is another debate, but that's the example it sets.

Punching someone when they are doing something wrong sets an example of if you don't do as you are told you get hurt. - Bullshit! It sets the example that if you don't like what someone is doing then it is perfectly reasonable to be violent to get that person to do what you want them to do!

It sets the example that smaller, weaker people get hurt.

I am sure there are many seventy year old men I could beat up for breaking rules, and yet I manage to refrain from doing so.

Sorry, mass x posting.

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I bet those boys were scared as they are used to doing as they like and having someone actually hit and stop them doing as they liked must have been not just scary but a Big shock.

Semi normal

Do you think it is really perfectly reasonable to be violent with someone for not doing what you want them to do?

Do you think it is really perfectly reasonable to be violent with someone for not doing what you want them to do? Absolutely not, I would have thought that wa evident from my post.

Your post clearly suggests you think it is reasonable to be violent

Your post clearly suggests you think it is reasonable to be violent - no, it does not.

No, Ivy the boys were scared because an adult punched one of them.

If a man punched me and put me in a headlock I'd be scared too. Especially if I had been doing something anti-social but legal, like using my phone in the quiet carriage.

Why would you do that?

Semi read your post, you use the word perfectly reasonable - which indicates that something is agreeable

Semi read your post, you use the word perfectly reasonable - which indicates that something is agreeable - I genuinely can't understand if you're deliberately being obtuse or lack basic comprehension skills.

Well, there are 3 issues, I think:

1. Where were the train staff?

1. All 3 of those boys were approximately the age of criminal responsibility (10 years old). Had they done any damage to property, or any passengers, they would have been around the age to be prosecuted. They were behaving badly, let out of school, no known adult to watch them. What is society supposed to do... continue turning a blind eye to unruly, rude kids?

1. That older man tried and failed, and was watched trying and failing, by other passengers. Why did they not speak up, call train staff earlier, call the police earlier? Are we becoming bystanders, incapable of moulding our own society?

There have always been rude, belligerent kids, just as there have always been short tempered, cantankerous adults. All involved learned a salutary lesson, I'd hope: don't fuck around on trains, adults tend to get pissed off; don't man handle kids, it really isn't acceptable any more; don't dilly dally wondering, filming, prevaricating, step up, do something, even if it is just call for someone in a uniform!

The boys had no other choice...

Yes, they did. They had the choice to behave themselves but chose not to. They might think twice in future about being mouthy little shits.

One of these kids was 8? Where on earth were the parents?
I have an 8 year old he would be terrified and traumatised if he was involved
I hope they do track this man down and throw the book at him!

Yes, the boys (or some of them) were of the age of criminal responsibility. But clearly they have never learnt social responsibility or respect or even basic manners.

The man was clearly wrong in his actions. But I'm guessing that this is the only way kids like this learn the lesson of how to behave in public. They've been taught all their lives that they are special little flowers who no-one can touch with a bargepole, they probably have parents who crash into school at any suggestion that little Johnny be disciplined in any way, shape or form. They know that shit like this can go viral in hours on social media and ruin someone's life.

Zero sympathy for them.

We have the word of one witness -was s/he an independent witness? that there was a 'punch in the ribs' . We have the emotive use of the phrase 'arm lock' which on here has even become 'head lock'
We gave the canny posting on social media.

Let's press'pause' before rushing to judgment.

Having said that, from one who has spent years of my life commuting on public transport, there is nothing more infuriating than Ill behaved, entitled, rude, noisy, unruly children.

Our Blanche, am I really a bystander because I don't punch rude people who are smaller than me on public transport?

Because I reckon I could get the vast majority of commuters in an arm lock and punch them in the ribs.

And I see people with their feet up on seats all the time.

And if I don't punch them, according to your logic, how will all these people ever learn?

These children should not have been travelling alone in the first place. Secondly they were apparently being rude abnoxious and arrogant clearly dragged up. But that doesn't give someone the right to punch a child.
My daughter was recently struck by an adult male and so was my 17 year old son because of this man's son trying to hurt my sons gf. My son put himself between the 2 of them the father punched my son giving him a black eye and his whole family including his other children and his wife proceeded to attack my son. His gf burst through the door shouting my daughter who went out saw the state her brother was in and yes she threw some verbal at them but understandably so and was then attacked by a very drunk father..he threw his bottle on the floor I cut my feet. Police were called. But due to no independent witnesses the police won't do a thing. I now have half a pool cue sat in my downstairs loo should I ever need to protect my kids. It is never acceptable to punch kick or hit a child with anything.