Alleged shooting in my town

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FB rumours are saying a father and daughter are dead but I hope it's just that. A rumour.

Another man murdering people because he can't get his way. 2 women a week. 2 women a week.

The hunt is still on for his two sons.

No idea where they are

Horrible, just horrible.

Have to say, I'm not keen on the thread description in the sidebar, which is "three shot dead in Lincolnshire", which, although technically true, seems to gloss over the fact that it's really "two shot dead in Lincolnshire; alleged murderer then kills himself".

I was saying the same about the news Annie, 'three shot dead' when also saying 'no shots fired by police, no other suspects' was inaccurate - three shot dead implies they were shot by someone else. If they don't want to say murder/suicide straight away, say three have died from gunshot wounds. No implication then.

Quick Google tells me various news places are doing the 'killed' rather than 'murdered' thing too

We live just up the road, such a shock. Agree with the sadness/annoyance of the description of "three victims" although until murder/suicide is confirmed by the police they might have to describe it as such.

My other issue is the requests that are going out on social media... "Do you know the family, pm me" obvious journo request, looking for sound bites.

little children involved but still quite sad

Huh???

It's only "quite sad" when 2 adult women are murdered by the person who should most love them? If a little child had been murdered by her father, then what would that be? More "sad" than 2 women - a wife and a daughter, murdered by a husband & father who seems to have thought he owned those women's lives.

A very odd response OP.

I appreciate that came out a bit wrong

I still mean it was an awful incident but when they said mother and daughter I immediately thought small child.

Has anyone local heard about the sons/brothers?

I think we need to stop thinking about these murders as "domestic tragedies" where we are more upset because there are "little children." We need to see & discuss them as what they are: the actions of a murderous misogynist. A man who hates women so much he'll kill them because they won't do what he says they should do.

Newspapers & television news tend to play these sorts of events for the sentimentality of a "family tragedy" over a "domestic dispute." As if the victims somehow were partly to blame for being murdered. They are murders, plain & simple.

And 2 women a week are murdered by their domestic partners or former partners.

kareningalasmith.com/counting-dead-women/

If these were black men being killed by white people, we'd be up in arms. But women? Not so much.

Foggy it isn't a competition, and I think we as a society could all be a lot more outraged than we are with, eg, Black deaths in custody, for example.

But I agree with your other points. I am especially enraged at the pat statement you get from the police in these cases: "this is not being treated as a terrorist incident". Why the hell not? There's a pattern here, a lot of repetition of extreme violence from one specific demographic against another specific demographic, and there's certainly terror there, in spades. It is a bloody terrorist incident.

"Not a terrorist" is journalist talk for "not Muslim"...

I think they say it to differentiate between a random attacker who is out to hurt/kill strangers, and someone who has a particular target in mind.

So it's supposed to be reassuring - don't worry everyone, you're not in danger from a random stranger! Only your husbands, fathers, boyfriends and stepfathers to worry about then. You know, the ones who make you trust them so that they can hurt you.

(Not all men, etc, you know)

I wonder what makes this one different, that it's not reported as "three die of fall from building"
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-36846242
I hate to think it's because of the second victim, but that's my guess :(

Found a newspaper report who claimed he shot them because the marriage was ending

Doesn't come as much of a surprise does it? :(

Unfortunately the spate of attacks tends to make people's mind jump to the possibility of terrorism at the moment, sadly.

Horribly sad and tragic, there does seem to be too many of these situations these days where the man takes the life of a spouse who is leaving him. Not something predictable always as it appears there were no signs of what was about to happen.

I knew as soon as they said the gunman had turned the gun on himself it would be another man killing his family.

Why is racism so rife when these killings are far more common than those committed by minorities? So fed up on entitled men in this country.

unpredictable ?

I tend to assume that if anyone had really listened to the wife in these situations, such murders would be quite predictable. That is, there are often clear indications of a husband's actual and potential misogyny and violence, but we don't take the concerns of the woman in the situation seriously.

We also have a pretty problematic model of masculinity.

There are an awful lot of non entitled men in this country, decent peaceful men who love their partners and families, who don't kill, who don't abuse. I'm mother to a son and would be horrified if someone was automatically assuming awful things of him, same with my husband and some of the lovely guys I know, who also happen to come from minorities as well.

Some men grow up with problematic models of masculinity, not all.

You are also saying that all the friends and family of the wife were so uncaring they they just didn't listen. She may have not wanted to speak openly about the problems in her marriage or indeed did not think her husband was a threat.

Sorry, I'm confused? The only person I can see anyone making assumptions about here is the man who murdered his wife and daughter?

I have two sons, I thought NAMALT was obvious here though?

Perhaps I'm taking it the wrong way, or it came across as being about men in general. I am disgusted about all men who do control, abuse or kill their spouses or family, equally anyone who takes the life of another. No one has the right to do that.

He has taken his motivations to the grave. This does seem to be on the increase or is that just my perception? Is it just that it is now more accesible in terms of the news being ever present. Do we have a problem with men thinking that if their wife decides the relationship is ended, to kill her or the children or both?

That might have been my fault, apologies.

I read that it is slightly more prevalent now potentially due to the rise in women earners in the household - men feel a lack of power and it can make something click that they need to take back control in the only way they feel they can. Depressing but part of a wider societal failing of men not talking through issues and bottling everything in. Also a main cause for the higher suicide rates in males.

We recently had in our area a man who shot his ex wife and then killed himself (she survived). Few weeks later their son committed suicide too.

It certainly does seem to be on the increase, but I don't know if it's like other things in rolling news and just seems to be. Anyone have the stats?

Here's an interesting article on it from US www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/230412.pdf