is it really possible that Donald Trump could be president????? [Part 4]

[claig]

The answer is obviously yes, but there will be a whole lot of fun in getting there.

No, he says the same lines and cracks the same jokes. Trump fans telepathically know what he is going to say so he doesn't even bother saying. It's a bit like his "who's going to build the wall?" and the Trump fan shout "Mexico". They end what he starts.

'He has no concrete policies and has several times given contradictory policies.'

He is not ideological, he does change his mind.

This is like MN's longest running joke.

"Trump and Palin may be funny. But they are no joke

Jonathan Freedland
...
He too is running as the man against the establishment.

It is a mood that stretches far beyond the US and is advancing in Europe too. Rage against anything that smacks of the system – including even the kind of coherent reform plans that might actually change it – has become a great, unstoppable force. And this is what Hillary Clinton is up against. She embodies the system at the very moment the system has never been more hated. And that’s no joke."

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/23/trump-palin-funny-no-joke-republican-stars

"he does change his mind"

And sometimes within the same speech, but Trump fans don't care.

Given that the right have been clobbering the Clintons since Bill became governor of Arkansas (sometimes fairly, sometimes not), what can be said or alleged about them that hasn't been aired already?

Whitewater, Travelgate, Filegate, Suicide of Vince Foster, Lewinsky and the Starr report are all out there in the public mind already. Ditto Bill's post-office conduct (look up Bill Clinton and Ron Burkle, for example) and the Clinton Foundation stuff.

People already know what they think about it.

Don't discount Bill's charisma and oratory. Trump attacking him gives him a platform to respond. The danger for Trump is that the American voters remember why they all voted for him (twice) in the first place.

I agree that Trump's stupidest move would be giving Bill Clinton a genuine reason to enter the campaign, and giving the eloquent Chelsea Clinton a genuine reason to defend her parents.

Don't forget the baby! Even cynical old me had to say 'Awww' at a pick of Bill and Hill with the grandchild.

'Given that the right have been clobbering the Clintons since Bill became governor of Arkansas (sometimes fairly, sometimes not), what can be said or alleged about them that hasn't been aired already?
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The "political class" (the bought and pai for Republicans etc, RINOs (Republicans in name only) have been too scared to reveal the full details just as the media have. Trump is not a "politician", he is not like any of them. He will reveal everything.

'Whitewater, Travelgate, Filegate, Suicide of Vince Foster, Lewinsky and the Starr report are all out there in the public mind already. Ditto Bill's post-office conduct (look up Bill Clinton and Ron Burkle, for example) and the Clinton Foundation stuff.'

Yes, but no mainstream "politician" has drawn all the threads together and gone on them which is why the mainstream media has been able to not go all the way. On Fox, we had Karl Rove and the so-called conservative, Bill O'Reilly, urging Trump not to "go there". Trump will go all the way.

'Don't discount Bill's charisma and oratory.'

Have you been watching the campaign recently. Bill is now old and looks and sounds old and tired. He doesn't have the "energy" as Trump says of Jeb and Hillary. Bill has made gaffes and the Clinton team can no longer depend on him as an asset. Trump will make mincemeat of him with his humour.

'Trump attacking him gives him a platform to respond.'

There is nothing Trump loves more than a fight. Hillary has been avoiding it and saying she won't respond to him. If Bill tries to go for Trump, Trump will hit him so hard, he won't know what day it is.

'The danger for Trump is that the American voters remember why they all voted for him (twice) in the first place.'

Not after Trump spills the beans. Millenials and millenial women know very little about Bill and Hillary, but Trump will make sure they find out.

'and giving the eloquent Chelsea Clinton a genuine reason to defend her parents.'

Trump will also deal with Chelsea.

Trump hasn't even started yet. On Monday, we will find out how far he will go. It won't be pretty and there will only be one winner.

claig, if the full details of the supposed massive scandal haven't yet been revealed, then you can't possibly know what they are. Which makes makes your allusions to their supposed enormity somewhat Trumpish lacking in logic.

But I'm sure that's a plus point somewhere on Planet Donald.

Bill Clinton doesn't have to slag off Trump. He simply needs an excuse to enter the campaign to do what he is good at.

LineyReborn, I know it all because I listen to the alternative media and it is all over there with interviews etc. Fox News already know all about it, the BBC probably don't yet, but Fox won't "go there". Trump will, so there will be no escape for the world "leaders" and the media and all the bought and paid for politicians.

'He simply needs an excuse to enter the campaign to do what he is good at.'

He already tried it a few months back. Hillary and Bill started on Trump and Trump tweeted "beware Hillary" and then it all went silent and Trump said they both had a "bad weekened".

You have to understand Trump, what he represents and why world "leaders" are "terrified" of him. Trump is not messing about, he intends to take America back and put America first. He will win and will go all the way to put the American people in charge. That is why world "leaders" and all the rest are so terrified.

no mainstream "politician" has drawn all the threads together and gone on them

Well, I disagree. The Atlantic has done it just this week, albeit not in detail. It concludes:-

"[The scandals from the bad old days are] not terribly dangerous. Some are wholly spurious (Foster). Others (Lewinsky, Whitewater) have been so exhaustively investigated it’s hard to imagine them doing much further damage to Hillary Clinton’s standing. In fact, the Lewinsky scandal famously boosted her public approval ratings. But the January 2016 resurfacing of Juanita Broaddrick’s rape allegations offers a test case to see whether the conventional wisdom is truly wise—or just conventional.

And don't forget, Trump was a friend of the Clintons for a long time-right up until he declared his candidacy, in fact. How will he explain that friendship and excoriate the Clintons as dangerous and corrupt at the same time?

WindPowerRanger, I have heard it all and there is stack loads of it and I think the Atlantic are kidding themselves. Trump will say it and it will create shockwaves. Remember how Trump brought up Cruz's father and Lee Harvey Oswald and Cruz dropped out days after. There is nothing Trump won't do and no amount of Fox News hosts telling him not to "go there" will stop him.

'How will he explain that friendship and excoriate the Clintons as dangerous and corrupt at the same time?'

Because Trump says "I'm a businessman and I have to get along with everyone" and Trump fans forgive Trump everything and understand that Trump does what is best for Trump. They don't care about what Trump does, but they will care about what he says about the Clintons.

Hillary Clinton says she was NEVER friends with Trump.

Trump puts America first. Trump does what is best for Trump.

claig, are you saying that Trump thinks he is America?

'claig, are you saying that Trump thinks he is America?'

As Trump said in his amazing speech last night (which you would never hear any other "politician" ever say) and as he constantly says

"I have worked for my family, my business and my employees, and now I am going to work for the American people and put the American people first"

Trump is on a mission, he is not a "politician" like the rest of the controlled puppets. He is taking America back off the elites and returning it to the people. His goal is now to work for America and the American people in the same way as he used to work for his business.

This was just some of Trump's speech last night. World "leaders" and puppets tuned in and were of course "terrified" more than ever, while the people laughed.

Now, I know some people say I'm too much of a fighter. My preference is always peace, however. And I've shown that. I've shown that for a long time. I've built an extraordinary business on relationships and deals that benefit all parties involved. Always. My goal is always, again, to bring people together. But if I'm forced to fight for something I really care about, I will never, ever back down. And our country will never, ever back down.

I've fought for my family, I've fought for more business, I've fought for my employees. And now, I'm going to fight for you, the American people. Like nobody has ever fought before. And I'm not a politician fighting, I'm me. You're going to see some real good things happen. Just remember this, I'm going to be your champion.

I'm going to be America's champion. Because you see, this election isn't about Republican or Democrat, it's about who runs this country. The special interests or the people, and I mean, American people. Every election year, politicians promise change. Obama promised change and it didn't work out too well. And every year, they fail to deliver.

Why would politicians want to change a system that's totally rigged in order to keep them in power? That's what they're doing, folks. Why would politicians want to change a system that's made them and their friends very, very wealthy? I beat a rigged system, by winning with overwhelming support. The only way you could have done it. Landslides all over the country, with every demographic on track to win 37 primary caucus victories in a field that began with 17 very talented people.

After years of disappointment, there's one thing we all have learned. We can't fix the rigged system by relying on — and I mean this so, so strongly — the very people who rigged it. And they rigged it. And do not ever think anything differently. We can't solve our problems by counting on the politicians who created our problems.

Well let's hope he actually does not give a damn - I look forward to the defamation case...

Trump knows his way round a court the way a Westminster MP knows their way around a flipped home. Trump is scared of nothing and nobody. On the contrary, world "leaders" are "terrified" of him!

"Exclusive: Trump's 3,500 lawsuits unprecedented for a presidential nominee"

www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/01/donald-trump-lawsuits-legal-battles/84995854/

I'm not sure that record is something to be proud of.

I'd vote Trump over Clinton.

Luckily I'm not American

"Susan Sarandon: Hillary Clinton “more dangerous” than Donald Trump

The prominent Bernie Sanders backer also predicted that a Hillary Clinton indictment was "inevitable
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“I believe in a way she is more dangerous,” Sarandon suggested without mentioning Trump’s name, after Chariton asked her why Clinton’s foreign policy went largely unchallenged during the Democratic primary.

“She did not learn from Iraq, and she is an interventionist, and she has done horrible things, and very callously, I don’t know if she is overcompensating or what her trip is,” Sarandon said, adding, “I think we’ll be in Iran in two seconds.”

“So I’m curious to see if anyone brings up these things,” she continued.

“But this is what we’re fed. ‘He’s so dangerous. He’s so dangerous,'” Sarandon said, shrugging off Trump’s most controversial rhetoric as too implausible to be considered a serious threat.

“Seriously I am not worried about a wall being built, he is not going to get rid of every Muslim in this country… but seriously, I don’t know what his policy is. I do know what her policies are, I do know who she is taking money from, and I do know that she is no transparent, and I do know that nobody calls her on it”:

www.salon.com/2016/06/03/susan_sarandon_hillary_clinton_more_dangerous_than_donald_trump/

This is like MN's longest running joke

You just have to tune out the endless cut'n'paste from conspiracy-theory websites. MN urgently needs an ignore button.

I was amused to note that Trump only managed to get 70-80% of the vote in the recent primaries - despite being the only candidate left standing . This probably gives us some measure of the potential for registered a Republican voters to either not vote, to vote for Gary Johnson (the libertarian candidate who is scoring decent percentages in some polls), to "write in" a candidate of their choice, or to put a cross next to HRC's name.

I think the "Mexican" judge scandal may have done his chances serious damage among more "conventional" republicans, and will have energised Latino opposition. Interesting to note that HRC did much better than expected in the California primary and a big part of this was down to the Latino vote. My feeling is that Trump mania has peaked but time will tell.

Good god Claig you sound like a hormonal teenager about to see the object of her crush in a performance.

I feel sorry for the US electorate as if they genuinely don't have a credible choice other than Hilary then it's hardly democratic is it?