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Hillsborough Inquest - police finally blamed after 27 years

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FreckledLeopard · 26/04/2016 11:26

The verdict is in. The victims were unlawfully killed.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36138337

Finally, after waiting so long, I hope this brings some peace to the families and friends of those who died. Flowers

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rogueantimatter · 28/04/2016 11:02

I've just read the Guardian's account of the court proceedings now. So it was a series of incompetent decisions - or lack of decisive action that allowed the crush which was then dealt with very badly for several reasons. How cowardly and cynical to take advantage of the bad reputation of fans to perpetuate the disgusting lies that ensued. The police and The Sun were cowardly bully boys.

The survivors and relatives have done so incredibly well to battle for justice all these years. I can't begin to imagine what it must be like for them to finally hear a judge describe it as the greatest large-scale injustice in Britain.

I hope it makes anyone else in authority tempted to put their ego above the safety of the people they are paid to look after think very hard.

divided country - yes, that's so clear to me now. My family were thoughtful, kind people, slow to jump to conclusions, always seeking to understand why an individual would behave badly and looking to put themselves in other people's shoes and be slow to ever condemn. Peaceful people. Eg, once my mum - who lived on a very small income and worked very hard - had money stolen from the house by my friend. She didn't tell me about it until years later and was very nice to my friend's mum, even blaming herself for leaving cash lying around in sight of my friend and therefore putting temptation in his way. But, she was not in favour of trade unions or rocking the status quo in any way. I got the impression from her that she thought the striking miners were probably unjustified in their actions. I suppose she had quite Victorian values. She left school aged 15 btw. I think she thought it wasn't 'nice' to even be assertive.

Until this week I hadn't made the connection with the miners' strikes and the SY police! Although my family had only a tiny income I had a sheltered upbringing in a thoughtful, but politically unaware home and the rural(ish) area afforded us a much better quality of life than someone on the same income living in a town or city. We just had no idea. I honestly felt if we could manage on a really tiny income everyone else ought to be able to. I'm ashamed to say that my perception of 'working-class' people from industrial areas was of rough, aggressive people who shouted and were greedy. Therefore the disgusting lies told by the sun and the senior police about Hillsborough seemed believable - not that it diminished the tragedy. It goes to show how otherwise 'good' people like us can be manipulated by the media. And how even someone as principled and kind on a personal level can be blinded by an over-emphasis on respect for and trust in authority. The sun and co know that... It's disgusting.

MiniMover · 28/04/2016 16:12

One of the things I'll never understand is that it is plain to see from the footage that people were being crushed to death.

It wasn't caused by rioting but even if that had been the case, is that justification for standing back and letting people die? Children die? Ffs, you see people being crushed, and vomiting and losing control of their bodily functions and you summon the fucking dogs because you've deemed it a riot! Angry bastards!

Cantgetmyoldnameback · 28/04/2016 16:18

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The victims were part of the crowd of fans though, so by blaming the fans, the Sun and others were also blaming the victims. I read somewhere this week that around 30 (could've been 40) of the victims were actually part of the large crowd that were let in by the opening of the gate just before kick off, but were carried forward to the front but by the surge of the crowd.

MrsHathaway · 28/04/2016 17:34

mini - rule one of rescue/emergency services is that you assess the danger to yourself and others before rushing in. Sometimes that means leaving people to die.

For example, paramedics can't go in while a killer is still waving his knife or gun around.

So while I agree that the human reaction to seeing people being crushed is to try to help them - and that's what happened with people being lifted out of the pens by other fans - it's possible the police were being told it would be more dangerous to release the pens (even if that was nonsense).

I'm not defending the high level decisions made at the time, but in the chaos each individual's response may have been completely reasonable given the information available to them at the time.

MiniMover · 28/04/2016 17:44

Mrshathaway, I'm not talking about individual officers. I'm talking about the order that was given to deploy the dogs instead of calling for ambulances. How would calling for immediate medical back up have put officer's lives at risk? It is very clear that people were dying. Trevor Hicks testified that from where he stood, the tragedy was clear. He testified in court how he and other supporters near him were shouting to the officers to do something. They were told to shut the fuck up.

To make such catastrophically bad decisions should result in serious disciplinary action. To lie about those decisions both in court and on official documents for over 20yrs must result in prison.

laylabelle · 28/04/2016 18:07

Someone think a player at Bradford fire thought it was just crowd trouble before it became clear so much was wrong.Obviously here no flames but people must have known and to do nothing til was to late..horrible.

MrsHathaway · 28/04/2016 22:26

How would calling for immediate medical back up have put officer's lives at risk?

It might have put the medics at risk. For example, any medic entering the pen would have been at huge risk.

You can have an operational decision to hold help back until the situation is safer. In this case it was clearly a shit decision, but it isn't without precedent.

WickedGirl · 11/05/2016 15:10

I don't understand why the ambulances weren't allowed on the pitch

RIP
JFT96

concertplayer · 23/05/2016 16:36

What did the Sun have to gain by covering things up?
I can understand the authorities would be fearful of litigation
so they covered up. But the Sun did not hold responsibility
for crowd safety/control so why?

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