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Misbah's mother is not pursuing custody

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JanH · 10/01/2007 10:13

Guardian report

"A combination of ill-health, the emotional strain of the legal case and the recent birth of her latest child were all thought to be reasons why Mrs Campbell had stopped the legal action. She was believed to have had a strong chance of winning her case and, if she had, it would have forced Misbah to return to Scotland."

What about the stepfather locking the mother and baby out of the house in the pouring rain in November? It's not exactly a stable happy home environment, is it?

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Blandmum · 16/01/2007 14:56

The lot of women in Afghanistan hasn't improved because of the horrific levels of mysogeny that exsist in the country....which helped to shore up the taliban who then went on to codify this already common behavior

and you can bet your balls that the women dont want to see a return to the 'old ways'. But they are just ignored

I don't think her home life if good in the UK either, but I don't feel I have to support the Taliban. You do. And if you do, you should know what they do.

Blandmum · 16/01/2007 14:57

Oh, and essential difference. Before the Taliban at least the abuse of women was illegal. After the Taliban it was legal.

So if a woman was beaten in the home (1/4 women in this situation) she couldn't run away,, because she risked being beaten again in the street, or shot.

Those who sup with the devil need a long spoon PD

peacedove · 16/01/2007 15:00

maybe MB, you will meet some of the boys who study at madrassas, and then you will see what they really are.

maybe you will go to Pakistan and see some of the Afghan families (and that includes women), who have made the trip back to their liberated country, and who have now come back again. And then you can ask them what their lives havebeen like.

I wouldn't wish you to go to Afghanistan, because like Iraq, it is a free fire practice ground for the coalition.

And this is my last post on this thread.

Blandmum · 16/01/2007 15:02

You pointed out that supporting the Taliban wasn't illegal. I have just pointed out that it is abhorant

Edam · 16/01/2007 15:03

Where's the evidence her partner is drunk or violent? You don't give any.

Where does the quote about alcohol come from? No source cited. Could easily be something that has been twisted to convince Muslims who don't drink that the mother is a 'bad' person. Could be offering a thimble full of wine at Christmas - something that is normal in Western countries. May not be usual in Pakistan but it's a cultural difference, not evidence of unfit parenting.

Where does the quote about the 'promiscuous' environment come from? Sounds like propaganda from someone trying to blacken her mother's name to me, unless you can give more info. What on earth does it mean? Her mother left her father? That's not unlawful in this country.

'A condition that leaves her shaking all the time'. Contradicted by the next quote which refers to shaking 'when things get too much for her'. Unclear and not evidence of unfit parenting. Plenty of parents with MS, who have panic attacks, or other conditions, shake. If the father is claiming she's a drunk suffering from the DTs, he should give hard evidence. Not just use slurs that are designed to play on cultural differences between a country where drinking is normal and one where it isn't.

'The court papers state' - what you mean is the father claims, in his submission to the court. It's not proof of anything. And even if it is correct, a breakdown in 1998 does not make you an unfit parent in 2006/7. The UK courts, whose judgement should be paramount here since Misbah is a British child illegally taken from British jurisdiction, were happy to award residence to the mother.

Wonder if the breakdown, if it did happen, was connected to the end of the parent's marriage? There are some indications here that Misbah's father may be a controlling bully who is exploiting cultural differences re alcohol and the behaviour of women in order to prove that breaking the law by snatching Misbah out of the country was OK. I hope he isn't. But these allegations seem like attempts to smear Misbah's mother, to me.

Caligula · 16/01/2007 15:04

She suffered from a condition that left her shaking all the time? I had a headmistress who shook all the time as well. She had parkinson's disease. I guess she wouldn't have been suitable company for your DD either, lucky she didn't attend her school.

And as for having mental breakdowns - well, I think she should have the demons stoned out of her.

FFS.

lisalisa · 16/01/2007 17:20

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donnie · 16/01/2007 17:35

you may only half believe it lisalisa but it is all true.

And for peacedove to point out that RAWA is a 'marginal group' with ' no support from the masses' - well that's because under the taleban it was ILLEGAL - so it would be marginalised, wouldn't it? what a non-point.

Blandmum · 16/01/2007 17:39

Right up there with the non point that men could not see a woman doctor....that is because the Taliban stopped the women from working.

PeachyClair · 16/01/2007 18:40

Have you read the bookseller of kabul MB? That was quite the punishments meted out to the poor girl who shamed her parents (she was murdered, by her family). Supposedly absed on fact

Lovely

yet Muhammaud was asked (I am told) by a follower whom he should respect most- answer your Mother, Second your Mother, Third your Mother, fourth your father.

Muhammud had great respect for women compared to many in his own time. His own wife Khadijah was a successful woman in her own right- her very support was essential to the faith of Islam becoming established.

The Taleban are evil, plain and simple. Madrassa students are just kids, but so much of what theya re taught is rong, and so much of what is believed by the chilsren that graduate these palces appears to be contrary to anything I have read in my Qur'an (note I am not Muslim, just a reader ) or in the parts of the aHadith I have studied.

Maybe Misbah's mother was a sdrinker, who know? A terrible crime under Islam is Apostasy: drinking would be less than that anyway, she'd be a criminal whatever.

I don't think a girl will the sort of future in pakistan that we would wish for our daughters (if we have them). But if she is forcibly brought back- what then? She would not settle, she seems to have hatred for this country, I am surefar more now than when she arrived.

I think asking for contact etc is not only a wise but brave decision. It must have taken oodles of personal strength to allow it, especiallya s she clearly found Islam so unsatisfying herself.

Blandmum · 16/01/2007 18:42

Yes, I've read it and it was based on a real family that was quite 'liberal' by Afghani standards.

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