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Misbah's mother is not pursuing custody

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JanH · 10/01/2007 10:13

Guardian report

"A combination of ill-health, the emotional strain of the legal case and the recent birth of her latest child were all thought to be reasons why Mrs Campbell had stopped the legal action. She was believed to have had a strong chance of winning her case and, if she had, it would have forced Misbah to return to Scotland."

What about the stepfather locking the mother and baby out of the house in the pouring rain in November? It's not exactly a stable happy home environment, is it?

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fuzzywuzzy · 13/01/2007 14:07

Or maybe Misbah wanted to attend the madrassa, it's not unknown to happen. My cousin attended one (of his own volition), and now leads prayers at our local mosque (in India) since graduating....pretty cool he's only 13.

The thing that I find interesting, is that Misbahs other siblings are happy and healthy, and love their father too.....her older sister does not sound like a girl who was sent off to a muslim equivelant of a convent and then married immdeiately at puberty.....althoguh married the reports in all the newspapers have stated that the children chose their own partners and married of their own free will.

JanH · 13/01/2007 14:12

I agree with all that, fw - it's just that this madrassa does sound a bit dodgy, and its funny that her father apparently let her go there without having any of this information about Mr Khawaja

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fuzzywuzzy · 13/01/2007 14:14

The maddrassa was bombed a few months back from what I remember, and depending on which papers you read, the those killed were innocent students, or terrorists.

I don't particular like Musharraf I must say, and take any thing that he claims with a large barrel of salt (he was saying that the dead were terrorists...).

JanH · 13/01/2007 15:01

Rather different version of events in Telegraph

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paulaplumpbottom · 13/01/2007 15:51

Thats a completely diffrent article. Would be more inclined to go with the Telegraph.

JanH · 13/01/2007 15:57

I found a lulu on asia1.com

That was on Wednesday, apparently. Things appear to have moved on a bit sharpish from there!

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JanH · 13/01/2007 16:04

And The Herald (ex Herald Tribune?) has bits of both stories with this embellishment:

That's not a reassuring story, Mr Rana...

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JanH · 13/01/2007 16:05

(Oh no, it's a Scottish paper - Herald & Times. Excuse my ignorance!)

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paulaplumpbottom · 13/01/2007 16:17

I am very concerned about him obviously viewing her as an adult.

Blandmum · 13/01/2007 16:19

I know that under Pakistani tradition she may well be considered of mariagable age, and thus an adult. But she hasn't been raised in that culture, has she? So she is going to be a UK 12 year old. I've met a few and to date none of them has been within spitting distance of being as adult.

paulaplumpbottom · 13/01/2007 16:24

Didn't her father say in the beginning that he would make sure she did not get married young?

peacedove · 13/01/2007 17:19

quote: "forced to drink wine".

yes, I read this, can't remember where.

quote: "The father who was campaigning for custody sent her to a madrassa run by a man who boasts he has met Osama Bin Laden 'over 100 times'. Khalid Khawaja fought with OBL in Afghanistan during the battle against the Russians. He organised a press conference in Pakistan for her. He says she failed to appear in court because she wanted to be with him."

Meeting OBL over a hundred times, or fighting with him would have been considered an honur in the days of the Afghan reistance to the Soviets. Why then should this be someting to be concerned about.

quote: "She was interviewed wearing a burkah although her father has been careful to make sure all pictures have featured her wearing a headscarf. Khawaja told the Guardian Misbah had left her father to live with him. He now says her father turned up at 2am yesterday to take her back because he feared negative publicity."

She has taken to the burqa. Well and good. Others have taken to the veil, but not the all-enveloping burqa, and yet others have donned the hijab. Why should this cause concern?

quote: "Misbah has spoken at a protest rally organised by Khawaja. Khawaja said she did not want to go back to 'that dirty society' ie Scotland. Khawaja was one of the last people to see Daniel Pearl, the US journalist butchered by terrorists."

Again, being the last reported person to have seen Pearl deoes not mean he should be shunned. There was an investigation, resulting in a case and conviction. Khwaja is out, so obviously he was not involved in Pearl's murder.

quote: "Looks like at least two grown men are using this 12 year old to gain publicity and make political points. One of them her own father, the man who has painted himself in such a positive light. This isn't the clear cut case the father managed to present. It's a very murky story of adults exploiting a little girl."

On the contrary, Islamic girl's schools are not used for publicity. The publicity seeker is the mother's counsel, Ms Naheeda Mahboob Elahi.

There was a report that the Hafsa Madrassa alBanat is a terrorist madrassa. This is simply laughable. This madrassa is right at the center of Islamabad, and the Pak government would not tolerate such a madrassa there. Its writ runs larger than that of Kabul and Baghdad, you can bet.

quote: "I know that under Pakistani tradition she may well be considered of mariagable age"

really, under Pakistani tradition! In all my visits to Pakistan, I have never met anyone who was married at that age. There have been reports of rural and very tribal places where such things happen, but so rarely that this cannot be labeled as tradition.

Mr Khwaja is well-known activist in Pakistan. If there were anything suspicious about him, the Pakistani Government would have sent him off to Guantamao.

All the accusations lead to my understanding that Mr Rana agrees with Mr Khwaja, and his daughter wants to be sducated in taht madrassa. Nothing wrong there.

Blandmum · 13/01/2007 17:23

happy to be cortrected, what is the legal age of consent for sex/ marriage in Pakistan PD?

JanH · 13/01/2007 17:31

pd, "All the accusations lead to my understanding that Mr Rana agrees with Mr Khwaja, and his daughter wants to be sducated in taht madrassa. Nothing wrong there."

But he has taken her away from the place at 2am!

(From the Guardian report.)

Too many different versions of events to know what's correct atm.

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peacedove · 13/01/2007 17:31

I don't really know offhand, it is either 16 or 18.

Blandmum · 13/01/2007 17:33

had a google. Age of concent for marriage is 18 in a man and 14 for a woman. For 'simple' age of majority it is pubery for a woman or 16 (and again 18 for a man).

so if she is post puberty at 12 she could be considered an adult under Pakisanti law

peacedove · 13/01/2007 17:34

Mr Khwaja is an activist. Perhaps Mr Rana doesn't like his activism, and maybe they are not in agreement after all. I too may not like Mr. Khwaja, but the accusation against him didn't look reasonable to him.

The girl obviously wants to learn and practice Islam.

Blandmum · 13/01/2007 17:35

'Age of simple majority

Under clause (a) of S.2 of the offence of Zina Enforcement of Hudood Ordinance 1979, Adult/major means:

'a male person who has attained the age of eighteen (18) years or a female person who has attained the age of sixteen (16) years or has attained puberty.''

peacedove · 13/01/2007 17:37

Mr. Rana lives in Lahore. A well-educated and cultured environment. Not one where the men marry off their daughters as soon as they reach puberty. And education is on the minds of both the father and daughter, not marriage.

Blandmum · 13/01/2007 17:39

Fair enough, I was just struck that he is reported to have said that at 12 she is considered adult.

Granted this may be a misrepresentation. But at 12, and given she has been raised in eth UK,( i accept that oter cultures may be different in the rates at whilch their children mature and are expected to be adult in responsibilities etc) she is unliely to be 'adult'

Pruni · 13/01/2007 17:40

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ScummyMummy · 13/01/2007 17:43

Looks like it's "puberty age" under Islamic law or 16 under Pakistani legislation, mb . I feel desperately sorry for Misbah. I don't like the sound of either of her parents and feel that the publicity surrounding her is very unhealthy.

peacedove · 13/01/2007 17:50

She is definitely not an adult, and quite likely Mr Rana does not have a quick grasp pf English. Most Pakistanis first think in their language, then translate into English, and their vocabulary is very small. When they do that in a quick interview, the results aren't always representative of their true thoughts.

And that includes the reporters, too.

Edam · 13/01/2007 18:58

You may not be concerned if a 12 yo girl, raised in Britain, is taken to Pakistan and hanging out with a man who boasts of his friendship with Bin Laden. But I think her mother is entitled to be. And the courts should be. The thing is, this guy isn't, apparently, saying 'oh gosh, I used to know him, he wasn't a bad sort in those days...'

The issue about the burkah is that again, her father presented her in a hijab, giving a false impression. I don't think many people would say a British 12 yo is old enough to make such a decision. AFAIK the burkah is intended to hide women from the gaze of men who are not relatives - it's about hiding your sexuality. A 12yo girl should not be sexually active. I've never seen such a young girl in a burkah in the UK.

As for her father's standard of English, please! The man lived in this country for many years. I'm sure he can express himself. He's done very well since Misbah was taken, illegally, out of the UK.

Thing is, if her father was a responsible man, he'd have gone about gaining residence in the proper manner, through the courts. Not spiriting her away while her mother's back was turned. And he wouldn't have allowed his children to despite their mother for not being a muslim, either.

He married Misbah's mother when she was 16, so clearly has nothing against teenage marriage. Poor woman seems to have had no idea what she was getting into.

MrsMuddle · 13/01/2007 19:59

Pruni, I'm a Glasgwegian atheist, but I think even I would rather wear a burkah and study at a madrassa than live in Stornaway! Especially in this weather. Apologies to any Stornaway MNers.

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