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Mass sexual assaults in Cologne on New Years Eve

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Cellardoor1 · 04/01/2016 22:20

I've just read this and I'm shocked that such a thing could happen. A group of around 1,000 men gathered and assaulted at least 60 women and girls and also pickpocketed people. Apparently the news wasn't released until now out of fears it could stir up tension as the men appeared to be of Arab/North African appearance, possibly refugees.

abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/cologne-police-chief-condemns-sex-assaults-years-eve-36083833

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whataboutbob · 05/01/2016 21:10

Fourmummy, happy to provide a laugh!

Theydontknowweknowtheyknow · 05/01/2016 21:12

Can someone who is / speaks German explain the context that #armlaenge is being used it please? I get that it refers to the stupid instructions given by the government for women to keep men "at arm's length" but it seems to be bringing up lots of images of the Nazi salute too.

Is this a coincidence or is there meaning in that and the people tweeting it are making a point?

onthephone100 · 05/01/2016 21:13

Bob if you think that's how it happened, how do you explain that the exact same thing happened in Munich, Stuttgart, Düsseldorf and Hamburg at the same time?

FYI reports are now saying 40 to 100 men involved.

onthephone100 · 05/01/2016 21:14

I haven't seen any linking the Armslänge to the Nazi salute, and I don't know of any obvious reason for a link.

Natailya · 05/01/2016 21:14

whataboutbob i think they deal with the stress of cognitive dissonance by adopting 'Emperor's New Clothes' behaviour.

Saloplass · 05/01/2016 21:15

The German authorities need to deal with with this very firmly because Pandora's box has been opened by Merkels shortsightedness and she needs to make things right.She has a duty to all the women in Germany and cannot turn a blind eye to this because of fear of racial tensions. Bloody interfering politicians have so much to answer for,they caused this mess by interfering in other countries and stupidly think they can now make it better.god help us all

Ubik1 · 05/01/2016 21:15

I've been quietly reading the thread.

What happened to those women is shocking - but what is more shocking is that any suggestion of racism trumps actual misogyny and harm at every turn. This is what happened in Rotherham.

It's not difficult to understand that men from other countries can have very different ideas about women, sex and morality. But our ideas about equality and women's liberation are better.

Pinkchampchoccies · 05/01/2016 21:16

"but it seems to be bringing up lots of images of the Nazi salute too."

Really? That thought had not occurred to me. Are people speculating about this as a Nazi reference? I would very much doubt that, though you never know.

Ubik1 · 05/01/2016 21:18

But I would also add that we have a moral duty to take those Syrian refugees.

And it's a huge challenge to assimilate these people into our communities. But we should do it.

whataboutbob · 05/01/2016 21:23

I suspect a lot of the genuine Syrian refugees especially the older/ married men would not be mass harrassing women. From what I'd heard about Syria pre civil war it was one Arab country where sexual harrassment was not a commonplace.

franke · 05/01/2016 21:23

There are quite a few images on Twitter using images of the nazi salute as a rather tasteless way of poking fun at the ridiculousness of #einearmlaenge

NoSuchThingAsTooMuchLemon · 05/01/2016 21:24

The worst thing for me is that despite all the promises to "come down hard on the perpetrators" nothing much will happen even if they manage to identify the men involved. Cologne courts are known to be extremely lenient compared to others (e.g. Munich) and their lax sentences are said to attract all kinds of criminals to the city.
Also, should some of the men turn out to be refugees, again there will be very few consequences. Under German law and the Geneva Convention, refugees cannot be sent back to their country of origin if their life would be in danger there or the country is deemed unsafe - no matter what crimes they have been convicted of. Not to mention that asylum seekers can only be sent back if they have received a prison sentence of at least three years anyways (which obviously would never happen for such supposedly "minor" crimes).

Rainbunny · 05/01/2016 21:26

Fourmummy - but to be fair, there IS a problem with sexual assault in religious communities like the Amish and Mennonites:

abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=316371&page=1

content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2087711,00.html

I'd like to find the Patriarchal society where sexual assault is not a problem.

Theydontknowweknowtheyknow · 05/01/2016 21:32

A couple of the tweets were linking to pictures of a crowd doing a Nazi salute but I think they were being done ironically.

I have to agree with Ubik1. It's appalling that one should feel silenced when talking about the culture of the attackers if the culture is relevant. Which in this case it is. If you asked the perpetrators themselves they would tell you it was the reason, that European women were whores so why this insistence that culture is irrelevant?

Theodopolus · 05/01/2016 21:35

I had a look at the twitter feed - a lot of images of Hitler salutes (arms reach) being posted. That and a lot of images of women in oompa loompa suits 'how not to get raped in Germany'.

Basically ridiculing the notion that women need to DO anything to avoid being assaulted/raped.

whataboutbob · 05/01/2016 21:35

I am saddened to read about the Amish cases. I could go on to contrast the nature of the sexual abuse within the Amish community and the Cologne incident but it seems in bad taste to do so.

fourmummy · 05/01/2016 21:45

but to be fair, there IS a problem with sexual assault in religious communities like the Amish and Mennonites: absolutely correct, and patriarchy is a pan-historical, religious and cultural phenomenon (sadly). However, Bob is on to something in not drawing equivalence between the cases. I agree that this is perhaps a topic for another thread but I can assure you that my laughter was of the grim and not of the joyful variety.

hefzi · 05/01/2016 21:46

whataboutbob that was indeed my experience of travelling as a lone woman in Syria: in fact, courtesy to women extended as far as allowing them to the front of the line in shops or when queuing for the 'phone. I did once get an "inappropriate suggestion" but that was a time when there were (small but) increasing numbers of Russian sex workers in Syria: once I explained to the man that I wasn't working, he was extremely apologetic for his error!

I've experienced minor harrassment (hisses and comments) in Jordan, but none whatsoever in Syria or Lebanon, for that matter, even in crowded marketplaces or places where harassment would be expected. Syria in particular had a real air of old fashioned courtesy when it came to the men - young or old, irrespective of religion - and kindness from all.

On the other hand, Iraq today is a place of major sexual harrassment (I wasn't able to get a visa before the war), and I have experienced sexual assault in Egypt and Gaza and stranger rape on two separate occasions in the West Bank, alongside the tedious daily grind of sexual comments, groping, hissing etc Libya before the war was a place, for me, of the minor kind of harrassment I experienced in Jordan. I have - unfortunately - not yet visited Algeria, but both Tunisia and Morocco have been places where the general sexualised grief from men becomes boring because of its frequency.

I find it interesting that those areas with the highest exposure to Western women (bearing in mind that Lebanon, Syria and even Jordan are less visited than North Africa, say) seems to have more men that are comfortable blatantly expressing their atrocious attitudes towards women.

hefzi · 05/01/2016 21:47

But the sentiments remain the same, even if the spelling is off!

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 05/01/2016 22:02

Hefzi I went to Syria just after I went to Egypt and would agree with you. There was a huge contrast in how you were treated as a woman.

hefzi · 05/01/2016 22:08

I can only think it's exposure, countess - and I have certainly known of some silly women who have fallen for the sleazy pick up lines etc, which probably then become stuff of urban legend in a market place, so become more prevalent etc etc

I know when I first went to Syria - about 20 years ago now - I was told by friends who knew the region well that it was like Jordan had been in the 70s: so I assume as places open up more for tourism, the problems gently increase. Egypt has been hugely popular for well over 100 years, and perhaps this is why it's particularly bad - and also, of course, North Africa has a lot of beach resorts, whereas I don't think, though some of the beaches are lovely, westerners have ever visited Syria for the sun and sand aspect.

polentapies · 05/01/2016 22:08

Well I was wrong. it didn't trend on Twitter. Instead there are numerous Pleb Big Brother threads trending. Depressing as fuck. I'm going to bed

GraceKellysLeftArm · 05/01/2016 22:24

I thought it was well understood that Germany's open door policy towards Syrians had allowed all seeking a new life to enter.

StealthPolarBear · 05/01/2016 22:24

Just getting on this thread as like many mn was the first id heard of it. It was a small article on the bbc site.

fourmummy · 05/01/2016 22:26

This is quite old (2000) but perhaps adds something to the discussion: www.un.org/press/en/2000/20000317.dev2234.doc.html