two more bodies found by Suffolk police

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Not quite sure how police can go about helping
maybe setting up a safe zone with cctv and foot bobbies - decriminalising soliciting for the short term.
They need to act bloody quick - 5 deaths in such a short space of time is unreal.

the problem is though that prostitution is illegal. so if these girls are given the opportunity to siign up for free drugs it sets a huge precedent. pllus how do you prove that you're a prostitute and not just some drug addict taking advantage of a scheme to put those at risk out of harm's way.

but if they decriminalise it in Ipswich who's to say he won't move on to somewhere else? it's a chilling thought but this man has possibly murdered 5 girls in 6 weeks (first girl went missing in October), he's obviously determined to kill, even the media attention hasn't stopped him - three bodies found since original two discovered, it's almost as if he wants the media attention.

i do wish that they would legalise prostitution and have properly run/licensed properties so this could be controlled. this i am sure would reduce the drug influenced

I have friends who live in Amsterdam who say there are still the same old problems.

yulelog - hunker on another thread pointed out that this can lead to people losing jobseekers allowance, because they 'won't take a position that's been offered', even if it's in a brothel. Will look for the link

Is prostitution illegal?
The law is complicated. The act of one consenting adult paying another for sex is NOT actually illegal. So, a woman who works on her own, in her own house and charges people for sex is NOT breaking the law.

But the laws that exist around it make it almost impossible to carry out prostitution legally.

To put it as simply as possible...
Brothels are illegal - that's a room where more than one woman works - even if they work on different days or at different times. A massage parlour is normally a classier name for a brothel.
It's also illegal to live off immoral earnings - that could include pimps, massage parlour managers, and receptionists.

It's illegal to advertise for sexual services - though not to advertise massage or escort services like those in the papers and on the internet. It's also quite likely that people renting a house and using it as a brothel are committing planning and tenancy offences. At a street level it's illegal to solicit for trade, and curb-crawling is illegal.

I don't see why it would reduce the drug influenced

it would just mean they wouldn't be allowed in the licensed brothels and they would still turn to the street for money to get fixes

discussion here

I think the idea that people would lose their job seakers allowance is ludicress. Maybe that's happened in other countries but if prostitution was legalised in this country then obviously lessons would be learned from how things happened elsewhere, and no-one should be forced to work in the sex trade.

Drugs....whatever-not all prostitutes are drug addicts.-it all comes down to money.I don't believe for a minute any prostitute does it for "job satisfaction".
It all comes down to money-whether for drugs,shopping,feeding your kids or expensive tastes.
It is all a matter of choice (prostitution that is) many,many MN'ers (as seen by recent giving thread) are truly on the breadline and struggling to give their children the Xmas they want to but have not resorted to prostitution.
It is all a matter of choice.
Havign said that,it doesn't make it any less sad that these poor women have lost their lives-more scary is the killer "assuming" someone is a prostitute because they are out late at night on their own.I thin every woman in Ipswich is pretty scared right now.

but is it a matter of choice though? some people don't have an education or qualifications, some people have no skills that would enable them to find a job elsewhere, and if you're that desperate and have nothing else to offer then it's a way to earn a fairly decent living. I know of at least one mn'er who worked on a sex line, prostitution is only a step or too up from there.

There was a woman (cant remember her name off hand) who has recently written a book (call me Elizabeth, I think) who ended up on the streets so she could put her kids through private education.

I think it's irrelevant why they're doing it, I just don't want anyone else to be at risk while this killer is around

Wannabe-of course it is choice-there are thousands of people in this world with no qualifications who do unskilled jobs to keep a roof over their heads.........prostitution,as sad as it is is not the only answer.
I am not anti-prostitutes-far from it,belive it should be legalised-I am scared for people who may be mistaken for prostitutes and indeed those still choosing to work on the streets.

Fmmh-good on her-her choice and she obviously felt the risk was worth it.

This is slightly at a tangent but I used to be an avid reader of crime fiction (Scarpetta, that sort of thing) and then I read a couple of James Patterson books which are generally pretty gruesome and about serial killers. It seemed to me just gratuitous unnecessary descriptions of murder and violence. Decided to change completely the type of books I read as real life's depressing enough. This whole thing reminds me of those books and makes me wonder if books like that don't put ideas in people's heads. Obviously there is something there in the first place but they are very detailed and graphic (that's only books of course never mind films and video games).
Sorry a bit rambling but it's something I've thought about for a while now.
Find myself almost avoiding the news as this story just gets worse and worse.

This is so awful I work between Colchester and Ipswich and last Thursday night I was at Ipswich Town Football club, which on Portman road, right in the red light district

Locally there is no other topic of conversaation and out manangers ensure that we don't walk alone back to our cars. Which IMHO is a little excessive, as it is town centre at 6pm. However IMHO the interesting thing is that no-one is condemming these girls. Usually when a prostitute is murdered very little press happens and cartainly nothing like this (OK this is exceptional) It is so sad that people feel they have to be porstitutes for whatever reason, and I am just glad that for once it is being reported in a way that doesn't say it is their fault - as usually happens.

Personally I think that this person doesn't care about getting caught tbh, it is a mission they are on and they will take more and more risks until they are caught. The volume f killings in such a short period of time is unique

I think prostitution should be legalised, absolutely. It would make things much safer for these women. I don't understand why they are now being called 'sex workers' though. Is that different from being a prostitute? Or is it some bizare pc terminology??

I have just watched Channel 4 news - they made mention that Suffolk Police is small etc and added that they were used to critism after the Soham murders

now correct me if I am wrong but Soham is in Cambridgeshire not Suffolk

We always go to Levington Marina for a walk around the nice coast there, towards Harwich . We have our car serviced at Nacton garage, because we had free servicing when we bought it there. So, we always get the courtesy car and go to the Marina...

Poor, poor girls. How scared they must have been.

the reason they are being referred to as sex workers instead of prostitutes is because of how people react to the term prostitute, i.e. some people would be less willing to come forward with information if it is a prostitute that's being murdered and apparently the term sex worker is less belittling to these women, so said some woman on the radio earlier.

its very evil i just hope the catch the killer
i live in ipswich and dont like to go out when dark alone
ipswich was a quiet town but in the last 10 days theres been 6 people killed
the 5 woman and a man was shot dead outside a nightclub on 8th dec

I have read Call Me Elizabeth, it's quite good but definitely not what I would imagine is the 'norm' for either gender in this industry

Soham is Cambridgeshire not Suffolk (although close to the border).

Is anyone else wondering where these girls have been between the time they disappeared and the time they were found - particularly the second one - she disappeared 2 weeks before her body was found - and that was a week after the first body.

And this person must think he is undetectable - to have got the last 2 or 3 in the full glare of the publicity about the first two.