Why would anyone consider going to Rugby school better than the mixed local comp?

[Charis2]

I read this article in the standard earleir, and just thought what is this headmaster on? Why is this scholarship presented as such a huge honour for the boy, when in fact it is a way of the school paying to improve its results by taking in some of the best sixth form students without fees.

What "lifechanging" opportunities does he expect he can offer, which Hassenbrook acadamy can't?

www.standard.co.uk/news/london/needs-pic-teenage-footballer-wins-70000-scholarship-to-boarding-school-that-invented-rugby-a2953791.html

Headmaster Peter Green said he hoped Michael and other Arnold Foundation scholars would have a “ripple effect” on their communities when they return home.

He said: “We might be able to be transformative and transform their lives. Then when they go to university, and after, they can start to transform their own local communities. It’s not about parachuting someone out of that. We want to keep their association with where they are from.”

What a snob. Does he think the staff at Hassenbrook only teach poor peoples maths and physics, and the maths at Rugby is somehow a better class of maths? perhaps he thinks the laws of physics perform better there too?

I hope this lad has fun, but I don't think for a moment his life is going to be in any way better because he spent two years mixing with rich snobs rather than normal people.

Offers to those from poor comps?

Yup, so open minded. Not.

If all state schools offer, say, Latin, A level, why are some universities offering places on Classics degrees without it to those from state school?

some do, some don't. Some independent schools do, some don't. Some people want it as an option, some don't. It is available at my DCs school, but they don't want it. It is available at the inner city comp where I was this week. ( it is run after school for mixed ages, not as a subject in the timetable, two classes, one GCSE, one Alevel) Some pupils have taken up the opportunity, most have not. Ancient Greek is also on offer, but has not been taken up.

for the same reason that 100% of pupils at independent schools are independent school pupils zoemaguire

Because the OP doesn't understand statistics?

Which city doesn't offer A level music? I asked, but no one answered

At the point that you told us that most comprehensives offer the IB I knew you were full of shit. Do your own homework: start by finding 1501 comprehensives offering the IB.

I think what you are saying here is that the independent schools are better at parenting, rather than educating
No, I'm giving you a list of advantages of private schools over comps, like you asked for. It is also hugely telling that your definition of 'educating' clearly refers only to academic lessons, and anything outside that is 'parenting'. I think you've struck the key difference between state and private schools and it is providing a holistic education. It is as much about teaching you manners as maths, social skills as science, confidence as comprehension.

All of this is available at the local comps, ( substituting Kate Aidie for others of similar calibre)
That is simply not true of all schools. It wasn't true of my state school. Our careers advice was a career advisor who handed out leaflets. I've just looked on their website and I can't see anything to suggest that has changed today. I've just asked DH what they had at his state school and it was the same. The nearest they got to visiting dignitaries was the major coming to open the school fete.

Again, just because you can give one or two examples of schools where they do offer things like this does not mean it is universally available at every comp. You surely have to acknowledge this?

Oh and the World Championships of Water Polo are played in a pool. So private schools give a googling advantage as well

Another fantabulous set of rants from Charis. I do enjoy your posts. Almost as good as the water thread. Don't ever change!

Hint: there are barely 200 schools in the UK doing the IB, so you're going to come up 1300 short.

charis

These lovely state schools you talk about, are they on this planet
If so, I'm sure all those who have to attend failing high schools would like to know, especially if there is one in their area.

We are lucky to have a PE or music teacher in our schools, let alone all the lovely courts and music facilities yours seem to offer.
As for Greek and Latin, one school in the whole of our county offered Latin, but it was more like Geography/ History than learning the language.

It isn't usual to find a state school that offers the same facilities as an independent, that's why parents who can afford it choose the better schools, generally speaking, of course.

At the point that you told us that most comprehensives offer the IB I knew you were full of shit. Do your own homework: start by finding 1501 comprehensives offering the IB.

Get your IB schools list. Start checking local schools offer. You will find many schools offering it not listed. No, I am not going to sit and search through 1501 schools offers for you!

No one can answer which city does not offer A level music

No charis the fact is that across the UK only a minority of comprehensives offer Latin at GCSE let solve A level.

Universities realise that those who would like to study classics are simply not able to so they have made the bold step of allowing state applicants ( not private) to apply without A level Latin and offer quick catch up courses in first year.

This is black and white fact. Not silly conjecture bases on 'schools the op knows'

You will find many schools offering it not listed.

Bullshit.

Here's the list of IB schools in London:

www.ibsca.org.uk/index.php/schools-map/london

That is not "most", and in any event the vast majority of those schools are private.

Now, tell us one more school that it is offering it and is not on that list.

You're going to need 100 or more to get it to "most schools in London", of course.

Also are you seriously suggesting that a school who offers an A level in Latin after school hours to a mixed age group is offering the sane educational experience as say a school which offers seven contact hours a week with teachers who studied classics at Oxbridge in a class of around five who are all utterly passionate about the subject and take at least two trips per year to Italy and Greece to expand their knowledge?

My dd goes to a "bog standard" comp. actually I'd say it's below bog standard, has terrible results.

Obviously there is a large variation in results from one comp to another the same as there is from one private school to another. But at least with a private schoo, you choose to send your child there. I had no choice in where to send dd. Well actually I did, comp a with 32% of kids getting 5x gcses or Comp B where 37% of kids get 5x gcses. Not much of a choice. I think any private school would have offered dd a significant academic advantage.

The behaviour in class in dds school is awful. Desk throwing, swearing at staff, walking out of school, fights every day. Dd was telling me only today about a fight in form last week and a girl was hitting a boy round the head with a chair. Teacher was ignoring it as usual.

My mum teaches in a private school and says no way would such behaviour be tolerated. Kids would be asked to leave if it was more than a one off. And even as a one off might be asked to leave. At dds school they don't even get a detention.

And all kids are taught to swim? Well my 14yo must be the exception then because she hasn't been taught to swim at all.

Some pupils have taken up the [Latin] opportunity, most have not. Ancient Greek is also on offer, but has not been taken up.

Res ipsa loquitur.

In our county the independent schools get significantly better results than the state schools. Not opinion but fact.
Not our thing but DS's school offers fencing to a level that children play at a national level.
All the children, not just some, in yr7 are studying three languages. DS would be studying just one at state secondary.
Our catchment secondary offers double science not all three separately.

Someone said to me 'cricket is just for the posh schools' but our catchment school has more boys than DS's independent school. That school could run cricket with several teams but chooses not to do so.

Here's the list of IB schools in London:

Bolograph, none of the schools I am connected to are on that list, but they all offer it. this is the list of schools belonging to the IB association, it is voluntary, AND there is more than one of them

Ok, a snapshot, which may or may not be representative of the opportunities on offer
Here is the sports roundup from a school that was mentioned upthread as having outstanding sports facilities:
millfieldschool.com/senior/news-articles/sports-round-up-ss

This is the sports roundup from the comp near me, considered the best in the borough:
www.harrisbattersea.org.uk/743/latest-news/post/3/basketball-champions

Still going to say that private schools don't offer any more opportunities, OP?
Or would you like me to compare the music news from the two school as well?

Also are you seriously suggesting that a school who offers an A level in Latin after school hours to a mixed age group is offering the sane educational experience as say a school which offers seven contact hours a week with teachers who studied classics at Oxbridge in a class of around five who are all utterly passionate about the subject and take at least two trips per year to Italy and Greece to expand their knowledge?

What makes you think the teacher isn't passionate, a classics graduate or doesn't travel? The GCSE class got 100% last year. And have moved on to A level.

sparechange, they spend a LOT more on marketing, and publications.

Bolograph, none of the schools I am connected to are on that list, but they all offer it.

Name one.

No whothefuck you must be wrong. charis knows comps that aren't like that, therefore none can be. Next you'll be trying to say they don't have their own swimming pool, or a network of old boys/ girls to help them in the world of work. And that none of the current government attended your local comps. Surely that can't be true because if charis has a different experience then of course only hers can be the correct version.

In our county the independent schools get significantly better results than the state schools. Not opinion but fact.

no they don't! Look at the P8!

Not our thing but DS's school offers fencing to a level that children play at a national level.

also offered at state

All the children, not just some, in yr7 are studying three languages. DS would be studying just one at state secondary.

? Well for my DC three was compulsory in a state school.

Our catchment secondary offers double science not all three separately.

so? what opportunities does three sciences offer above double?

What has that got to do with anything?!
One school is churning out national and international sports stars in every conceivable sport from athletics to riding to fencing, and a single term roundup includes multiple selections to Team GB.

The good state comp, which is well above average in terms of results, can muster one team in one sport, which wins a smallish city-wide tournament.

The most deluded anti-private education person on the planet isn't going to try and suggest they are offering the same opportunities. I can only hope you aren't going to try to...