Why would anyone consider going to Rugby school better than the mixed local comp?

[Charis2]

I read this article in the standard earleir, and just thought what is this headmaster on? Why is this scholarship presented as such a huge honour for the boy, when in fact it is a way of the school paying to improve its results by taking in some of the best sixth form students without fees.

What "lifechanging" opportunities does he expect he can offer, which Hassenbrook acadamy can't?

www.standard.co.uk/news/london/needs-pic-teenage-footballer-wins-70000-scholarship-to-boarding-school-that-invented-rugby-a2953791.html

Headmaster Peter Green said he hoped Michael and other Arnold Foundation scholars would have a “ripple effect” on their communities when they return home.

He said: “We might be able to be transformative and transform their lives. Then when they go to university, and after, they can start to transform their own local communities. It’s not about parachuting someone out of that. We want to keep their association with where they are from.”

What a snob. Does he think the staff at Hassenbrook only teach poor peoples maths and physics, and the maths at Rugby is somehow a better class of maths? perhaps he thinks the laws of physics perform better there too?

I hope this lad has fun, but I don't think for a moment his life is going to be in any way better because he spent two years mixing with rich snobs rather than normal people.

charis I was talking about the students being passionate and travelling not the teachers.

The seven contact hours, the trips, the being part of a group of classics buffs, this is there experience. Not squeezed into a couple of hours after school with the teacher knowing full well that his or her value doesn't even stretch to proper timetabled lessons.

If you think these two experiences are remotely comparable then you are absurd.

Well for my DC three was compulsory in a state school.

Oh, for FFS. Name one state school for which three foreign languages are compulsory. Go on. Name one.

The students are passionate, She'sgot, and those that can do trips can do trips. ( asylum seekers, etc often can't, and financially also not viable for many. But a group went to Pompeii recently)

Bolograph, I am not naming schools where I work, but they are just normal, London inner city schools. You can plenty for your self, I'm sure.

Incidentally, the three language thing isn't very popular....

I'm sure the students are passionate - you'd have to be to study out of hours.

But the quality of those lessons, the experience of the students will be in no way equal to the group who are at a school which truly values classics and is prepared to set aside resources.

This is obvious and why universities make contextual offers, no?

Charis your question was "Why would anyone consider going to Rugby school better than the mixed local comp?". My answer was 'Why I consider for DS that going to his independent school is better than the local comp.'.
Telling me that at your DC's state comp three languages was also standard for all children won't alter my view. We both posted based on our experience of what is available close to home.

Tell you what charis why don't you look up all the leas in the country, and tell us how many of them can guarantee all these sports facilities and subjects that exist only in your head for anyone within the lea who wants them.
And then have a look in each lea and see if everyone is within distance of an independent with all the facilities and subjects, so that fees aside they can access them.
I think you'll find there isn't an lea in the country that can guarantee you can get exactly the same as an independent if you want it. However for the vast majority if fees weren't an issue they could access it at an independent.

Op you are seriously deluded and as for Polo you don't play it in a lake - I'm well aware horses swim but you are verging on ridiculous.

In some parallel universe you have comprehensive schools up and down the country offering fencing lessons, housing horses in stables and multiple squash courts as part of their facilities. As for Latin being offered and probably students sleeping in dormitories.....

If comps were offering the same there wouldn't be a demand for public and independent schools as local comps would be on par

Why even bother engaging, honestly. Biggest load of bollocks I've read in a very long time.

Iseenodust, thank you though, for making the time to answer my question.

Op you are seriously deluded and as for Polo you don't play it in a lake - I'm well aware horses swim but you are verging on ridiculous.

obviously I m not talking about polo on horses.

I think she was talking about water polo rather than polo.

Which are two totally different sports.

If we're talking sport then I don't think the local comp plays Fives.

Oh and no fencing at dds comp either.

Also you can only study one MFL and you're allocated which one. No choice.

No Latin either.

Though there is a comp in town which I believe has stables and horses. It definetly has a planetarium and a boarding house for sixth form. And a big house in France.

Head of governors is also facing a jail term for some major financial corruption I believe.

I suppose the one thing that Charis's fabled comps are totally lacking is lessons in humility.
Maybe all the imaginary fencing salles and Latin classrooms take up the budgets for lessons in how to back down when are you repeatedly proven wrong

Absolutely my pleasure.
If you wish to talk 'poor people's maths', at my state comp I was only taught part of the maths syllabus as I was the only one in the class not also studying physics; they decided not to cover mechanics. I have not heard of this happening in the independent sector but perhaps you have an example?

It's amazing what private schools can achieve with money and the ability to eliminate the riff-raff.

That's what it boils down to if we are honest.

None of the secondary schools in my (high performing) LA offers the IB.

They all have a more limited range of instruments taught in school than the independents.

Three offer UKMT but only to a handful of the brightest students, not to a third of the year as at my kids' independent school.

I think you're talking rubbish.

I am not naming schools where I work, but they are just normal, London inner city schools.

These ones that offer three foreign languages, Ancient Greek, Latin, Further Maths, A Level Music, water polo and fencing are just normal London inner city schools? Perhaps London-based MNers could confirm this earthly paradise? It sure as fuck isn't the case in the Midlands where, as a random example, Rugby school is based.

You are flogging a dead horse, Bolograph. Charis is incapable of conceding that she might be wrong in even the tiniest detail, and utterly unwilling to entertain the notion that anyone might be able to tell her anything that might alter her blinkered view of this subject by even an iota.

The government pays say £5000- £15 000 a year for a pupil in state eduction ( sometimes more, sometimes less)- ALL of which goes on education.

Do you have a source for that Charis? Everything I can see suggests £4000-5000 is the norm (with an uplift for London) e.g. this but I don't have any particular knowledge of the area. I assume from what you say that the cost of building upkeep, cleaning, grounds, heating, electricity etc is paid on top of this per pupil cost?

it isn't the same here in the NW neither.
There are some good independant schools in the next county and it's a ss area, but just bog standard high schools here.
A level music isn't offered at all, but btec level 3 is substituted, which I know is equivalent, but not an A level.
Besides this fact as others have suggested you have to look at the teaching too. Some teachers in the poorer schools aren't able to teach and lose all motivation as a result. Well, you would do if you were faced with furniture throwers on a daily basis.
As for languages, some schools offer extra lessons, my friend has a business supplying the teachers. They are lovely and qualified in their subject but nowhere near the quality offered at the grammar or private schools in the next county.

Charis

In the nicest possible way, please get your head from up your ass and look at the rest of the country. Some people who have no choice but to attend really bad schools could be offended by your comments of brilliant state schools. I know some are better than others but they can't come near to the private sector. Unless of course the private school in question is failing terribly.

Do you think charis perhaps doesn't understand that state and public school aren't the same thing? I'm beginning to think she's been trotting round Eton and Harrow knowing they are called public schools, overheard someone say 'we offer a comprehensive range of...' And then put 2 and 2 together to come up with 754, and came to the conclusion Eton and Harrow were state comps.
Bless you charis, bet you were shocked at the cost of school lunches when you got your first invoice for your dcs first term at a 'comp'. 'Mr charis, how strange, I knew we had to pay a deposit for a locker key but it says on this letter we need to pay £11k'

The government pay £30k for my dd education, and she knows she is very fortunate. She works hard though and is determined to make a fortune and give some back.
It is the 71st on some list of 100 top schools, it doesn't claim to have an emphasis on education though and her subject choices at GCSE and A level aren't as good as some state schools.
Parents know this though and it's what they sign up for.

Well, it all goes on education only in the very widest sense. A fair amount is spent on new windows, fence painting, insurance, LA services and the like. And in academies, an obscene amount of money is spent on accountants and lawyers.