The situation with migrants and illegal immigration

[Gingermakesmesick]

What is the answer?

I would hate to be in the position of making the decision because I hate to think of how desperate the individuals concerned must be.

But I can also quite see that there simply isn't the physical room to allow all of them into the UK, or the resources.

What is the answer? Is there no answer?

I know why young single men are over represented. I'm saying very few people will want to take them into private homes.

Yes - if we were to take in refugees - and I would love to- providing it was on a temporary basis, they were children and er not too traumatised

I just can't see us opening our homes however much we feel we would like to open our hearts

You could well be right, but considering the outrage on here about empty second homes and under-occupied housing, I'd have thought some would be prepared to host. In fact we already have people on here (and countless others on FB, Twitter, etc) saying they want to do exactly that

Oh, and the Praxis site also offers a phone number and email address to make enquiries even easier: 0207 729 7985 / [email protected]

Thanks.
I'll help. Women with children 100%.
Young men are fitter to cope with basic shelter type accommodation.

Sort out our labour market, EU countries saying we have a problem because people can work off grid too easily. This has wider issues in the UK anyway with our soft approach to tax evasion.

Come back ID cards, all is forgiven.

Localised asylum application offices i.e in the region, no applications accepted if you have attempted to traverse across more than one state, you are automatically fingerprinted returned and embargoed.

Interesting about empty second homes. I read a book just recently that said during ww2 the better off were the least likely to take in child evacuees apparently it caused quite a bit of resentment at the time because they weren't pulling their weight.

HomeHelpMeGawd ….. now we are off the 2nd WW you brought up for god knows what reason as TOTALLY different to the African and Syrian problems Europe is facing.

As Members of the EU with open borders we have to accept, with the 1.9 million UK families currently needing social homes, and the upward pressure on home prices/rent costs – how many more EU citizens are YOU expecting over the next few years – as this is key to the UK’s ability to both absorb the current social pressures HERE, and assess how much room we have for those that can stop off at all points west before the UK?

And regarding the following;

”We have tried a ground war in Iraq, limited air strikes in Libya and non-military support only in Syria. No strategy has worked well, and there have been plenty of groups with contradictory requests in each case, arguing vehemently that we're doing the wrong thing and need to start listening to them and them alone.”

As the serious danger to moderate Syrian’s pre ISIS was (and probably still is) from their own President Assad, the UK government turned their backs on the people of Syria, so how many of these huge numbers of refugees looking to come to Europe are down to those OPPOSING the UK Prime Ministers wish to STOP Assad bombing/forcibly removing his own citizens from their cities/towns?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/in_the_news/2416177-UK-Parliament-Syria-Aircraft-Bombing-Vote-Part-Deux

There are tens of millions in Africa and the Middle East wanting a better life in the West and they cannot be accommodated, so for the sake of the Syrians STILL in Syria and in order to give those outside a home to go back to, surely the UK having tried ignoring Assad and ISIS in Syria and hoping they’ll go away, we try a DIFFERENT strategy?

In the UK we need to PLAN ahead if our population is to go above 70 million in a few decades time with CURRENT immigration and birth rates - as how will we cope?
www.rt.com/uk/313929-uk-immigration-eurostat-germany/

Instead of politicians choosing to forget our current social/housing/cost problems and pathetically suggesting every town take some refugee quota so they can sleep at night as being SEEN to do something, with no thought so how much pressure that will put on any single town - isit time for politicians to get AHEAD of the housing problem not constantly behind it?

- NIMBY-ism; no more, as every City, town, and village, extends their Planning Envelope by say, 20%, over riding all objections in the name of the EU, refugees and UK society in general.

- Green Belt; and currently having built on what, around 16% of the UK's total size, concrete over huge parts of it to get ready for our 75 million citizens to have cheap and plentiful homes by 2050.

The problem is how I see it, is too many of the 'bleeding hearts club' that don't care how big our populations gets to, are not affected by mass immigration in their 'nice areas' - as few EU citizens and no currently migrating North African's or Syrian's will be a stone's throw from their home, hospital, doctors, schools and general services where pressures elsewhere are already too much - so it is time to campaign for a serious 'change' to reflect todays society, as we cannot keep everything as it was in the 1930's, or even the 1990's.

Why doesn't anyone from Syria want to go to Spain and Portugal, that due to the Moors etc have some cultural roots going back centuries e.g. isn't Algarve an Arabic name for 'the West' or something like that?

The last time I heard, Spain had a few hundred thousand spare and unsold home scattered across the country, so why don't the EU buy them up (help the Spanish economy/underpin home prices that severely crashed) and at least give homes in areas one would suspect has the infrastructure/services in place to support them?

Just another little gem I thought I'd share. lol

isitme
Why doesn't anyone from Syria want to go to Spain and Portugal
Because they want to WORK
and the unemployment rates and ease of doing business in Southern Europe are awful

....we do have the space and the resources. It's just a question of reallocating them effectively. Unfortunately, this won't happen anytime soon because the current Gov folks are mostly self- serving dicks.

TalkinPeace .... so for the thousands coming into Europe every day, that just leaves the UK and Germany, with only the former with a housing shortage?

As refugees, surely their first worry should be a shelter and their own safety, which is a huge step up from the career-less camps they have been stuck in for months - otherwise they are economic migrants, no different from the poor and jobless EU citizens coming here - are they not?

Short please explain where the space and resources to take in unlimited numbers of people will be "reallocated" from?

Mainkster, that was a very odd response! It was as though I'd written some kind of vehement screed aimed at you rather than a post saying "I think this is a bit unfair". And what's even odder is that, having said you weren't going to engage with me, you then posted further responses about the topics I'd raised and went on to say you found the comparison with the 40s to be interesting!

Isitme: I will not engage with you further since I've been explicit about my motives for raising the comparison with WW2 - my own family history as refugees from the Nazis and failed refugees who perished in the Shoah - and you have chosen to say I raised the comparison for "god knows what reason". That's a bit too fucking rude for my blood, never mind the spilled blood of my relatives.

ShortandSweeter .... 'the current Gov folk self serving Dicks' received over 1.7 million families from the previous tossers, who forgot to build extra homes and with all the money gone.

Apparently trying to free up over 800,000 spare Council/Social bedrooms, was also seen as ideologically 'self serving' by trying to give those worse off than those WITH spare bedrooms, room to grow.

So how many do YOU want relocated in the UK and where can this be done more 'effectively' than giving homes to those currently waiting on homes?

There seems to be shed loads of what we 'need' to do, but no suggestions HOW.

No. Use a bit of imagination. Or just take a look here if you can be arsed. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_by_net_worth

HomeHelpMeGawd .... you do not want to engage with me or anyone else bringing up the UK's OWN problems.

We do not have a World War, we have small local wars/conflicts, people do not get shot on sight travelling across Europe where they have options to stay, and the 'holocaust' is nothing like nthe situation in Syria where Assad wants the majority of his people out of the country and is not pursuing them.

And that is what gets MY 'fucking' blood up.

HomeHelpMeGawd ... until you say HOW MANY Syrians and North Africans the UK should take and where they should be put, you have no right to get on some high horse while trying to DEFLECT from that.

ShortandSweeter ..... and how long is it going to take putting all those people 'up against the wall', seizing their assets, building more homes for the current 1.9 million families and then more for Syrians - because they are current waiting in fecking Hungary????

Oh I see short you're not talking about resources, you mean take money away from anyone who you think has too much. Or do you mean we should strip the likes of the duke of Westminster of all property he owns and hand over to the homeless? That latter point is me using my imagination as you so patronisingly suggested.

Unless you explain your point properly no one will take you seriously.

Yawn. I couldn't care if you take me seriously or not.

That's good Short, those of us who are not hard of thinking will just continue to ignore you!

There seem to be large stretches of land in America. Why can't they go there?

I am embarrassed about my ignorance but would love to understand why this has become a crisis in recent weeks. I'm not aware of anything big in the news about the places they are coming from (that has just happened). Why now? Are they fleeing for their lives because they'll be lynched, or because they're starving, or simply because it's felt to be more likely to succeed if everyone goes at at once?

I saw a picture of a man getting out of a dingy holding his little girl. He was in tears. Fathers do not put their children into sinking boats if there is any other way. I know that much.

I doubt you can see the irony in your last comment.

No irony Short. I don't agree with your views on how the Syrian refugee crisis should be solved. Being patronising and rude to me does nothing to advance your arguments (not that it is clear what those are in any detail beyond stripping wealth from anyone who has more than you think they should). Just because I don't subscribe to your version of groupthink doesn't mean I am wrong.